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christophergreenawalt
03-02-2007, 07:37 PM
I have a major problem with joining the Army. I have a dealing drugs charge when I was 15 and now I can't join the army because of that stupid charge that happened 7 years ago. If there is anyone out there that can shine alittle hope for me. I have always dreamed of becoming a soldier not because of killing and that crap but because of the honor and respect that I would have for myself after becoming a soldier. Yet this government has gone blind to the fact that everyone makes mistakes and if an American wants to join as bad as I do let him join right. Please help me anything will help I've tried everything.
Tacky
03-02-2007, 09:23 PM
I have a major problem with joining the Army. I have a dealing drugs charge when I was 15 and now I can't join the army because of that stupid charge that happened 7 years ago. If there is anyone out there that can shine alittle hope for me. I have always dreamed of becoming a soldier not because of killing and that crap but because of the honor and respect that I would have for myself after becoming a soldier. Yet this government has gone blind to the fact that everyone makes mistakes and if an American wants to join as bad as I do let him join right. Please help me anything will help I've tried everything.
You can't and won't even take responsibilities for your own actions, why would I want you in my military? Blaming the government for YOUR mistakes lacks a little maturity.
You broke the law and there is a price for that. At 15, you were old enough to know what you were doing was wrong, so you are fully capable of accepting the responsibility for it.
You may or may not be able to get into the Army in the future, waivers are sometimes available but for something like this they are given on a case by case basis.
reneemo
04-17-2007, 12:30 PM
You wrote "I have always dreamed of becoming a soldier" when you were dealing drugs it did not cross your mind that drugs may hinder your dream?:confused: :confused:
You wrote "I have always dreamed of becoming a soldier" when you were dealing drugs it did not cross your mind that drugs may hinder your dream?:confused: :confused:
lol..... hit the nail on the head.. sadly, Id say the answer is no...
kmullins
04-19-2007, 03:30 PM
HMM, i wonder why he hasnt responded to your guy's post?
Rock-Steady
04-19-2007, 05:33 PM
HMM, i wonder why he hasnt responded to your guy's post?
Would you ? :D
11binfantry
04-20-2007, 01:05 AM
If he is still reading this, then
you may applie for a waiver at meps talk to your recruiter, and it might help you if since you were a minor at the time. No guarentee's but if you keep you nose clean for three more yrs I believ the background check only goes back ten yrs. If you dream of being a soldier, which I doubt but if you did want to know what its like to have the honor and self respect start by doing the right thing.
if you have to ask what that is, don't bother with applying
kmullins
04-20-2007, 10:31 AM
Would you ? :D
thankfully, i dont think i would ever need to.
thankfully, i dont think i would ever need to.
Yea, me too... silly lad... hope he has learnt the lesson from making the mistake... if he has, then something good has come of it...:cool:
Common Sence
04-20-2007, 12:40 PM
I have a major problem with joining the Army. I have a dealing drugs charge when I was 15 and now I can't join the army because of that stupid charge that happened 7 years ago. If there is anyone out there that can shine alittle hope for me. I have always dreamed of becoming a soldier not because of killing and that crap but because of the honor and respect that I would have for myself after becoming a soldier. Yet this government has gone blind to the fact that everyone makes mistakes and if an American wants to join as bad as I do let him join right. Please help me anything will help I've tried everything.
Maybe, the idea is that, if you were dealing drugs when you were 15, then stereotype says, you were doing drugs when you were 15. If you permanently mess your brain, in the opinion of the military, then permanent is permanent. Why take the risk on a former drug dealer, when you can have someone weilding weaponry and defending lives who isn't a former drug dealer?
Yes, that's mean of me, but really....why would the military take that risk on you?
11binfantry
04-20-2007, 10:24 PM
I have had the honor of serving with some very fine soldiers, some were reformed addics....
I'm not defending or condoning his actions like I said prior if he wants it bad enough....
and since he has not reposted Its lookin like he did not
kmullins
04-21-2007, 09:29 AM
i dont think it was the part of being a former drugger that burnt the balls of these fine men, it was the part of not taking responsibilty for his actions. my husbnad hisself is a former addict, and today is a fine soilder and excellent husband and father. he took responsiblity and made it right.
i made plenty of wrong choices as a teen, not mistakes. you learn, grow up, take RESPONSIBILITY, and move on
i dont think it was the part of being a former drugger that burnt the balls of these fine men, it was the part of not taking responsibilty for his actions. my husbnad hisself is a former addict, and today is a fine soilder and excellent husband and father. he took responsiblity and made it right.
i made plenty of wrong choices as a teen, not mistakes. you learn, grow up, take RESPONSIBILITY, and move on
Precisely....you hit the nail on the head.... an 18 kid called to my house collecting for a drug rehab clinic two weeks ago.... he was small and whilst well fed, he looked like a former addict.. his body was still healing from the effects of the drugs.... he explained he was on herione from the ages of 12-16yrs old and was clean for 2 yrs.... he had thrown his youth away to 16yrs old, but took responsibilty for the ****ty life he had as a junkie and is now clean.... I complimented his initative and donated to the Rehab centre..... This kid had nothing, and instead of whining about it, he did took responsibility for his actions and did something about it, and now has a shot at life.... If allthose who loathe in their self pity could follow this young mans example, then the world would be a better place....
Glad to see your hubbie turned his around, and is doing so well... my regards and compliments to him...
11binfantry
04-21-2007, 07:20 PM
if he wants in he's gotta prove it
if he wants in he's gotta prove it
Absolutely..... the Army is not for everyone... of the 125 men in my training company on day 1..... 8 of us passed out as soldiers.... the rest were replacements of replacements in some cases.... Strong metal is hard to find in those days, and I think harder these days...
11binfantry
04-23-2007, 01:13 AM
ya that mettle is suprising harder and harder to shape these days the young have differnet views of what sterner stuff is
ya that mettle is suprising harder and harder to shape these days the young have differnet views of what sterner stuff is
Yea, I know... I had a 20 yr old in my dept who couldnt hack all the "Hard work" we do each day and walked out... she wanted a more reasonable workload that didnt tax her so much through the day.. Oh pleaase... spare me the whining.... I was happy to show her the door... Maybe one day she will grow up..
11binfantry
04-24-2007, 04:54 AM
I just chaptered a young soldier for failing to adhear to the no drug use for the us army gave the guy several oportunitys to fix him self but after falling asleep on the 240 range as AG I figured he was done at that point. its pathetic
I just chaptered a young soldier for failing to adhear to the no drug use for the us army gave the guy several oportunitys to fix him self but after falling asleep on the 240 range as AG I figured he was done at that point. its pathetic
Couldnt agree more!!.. Soldiering is no joke.... you did the right thing....
11binfantry
04-24-2007, 03:19 PM
yup thats what they pay me for :lol:
Rock-Steady
04-24-2007, 03:32 PM
I just chaptered a young soldier for failing to adhear to the no drug use for the us army gave the guy several oportunitys to fix him self but after falling asleep on the 240 range as AG I figured he was done at that point. its pathetic
A 240 doesn't need an AG. No wonder he fell asleep. Ditch the tri-pod and you end up with a much stronger gun team.
11binfantry
04-24-2007, 03:41 PM
in an infantry line unit the 240B is a crew served weapon the AG (assistant gunner) is there as a pack mule, and since the soldiers with the 240 are required to carry the tripod and the spare barrel and since infantry is mobile unfortuely you need two people minimal as a full weapon squad there would be one more and he would be the ammo bearer....
I get what your saying and if it was mounted then ya drive on but in that particular secenerio the AG primary responsiblity was to feed ammo into the weapon so the gunner could qualify on his weapon.
this AG fell asleep in between loading ammo....
(SERIOUSLY how do you fall asleep then)
Later I found out that he was in crystal meth during his off time and he was coming back down and crashing during range time....
not acceptable
Rock-Steady
04-24-2007, 03:56 PM
That's the type who sleep on guard duty--even on deployment--it's good to weed them out.
I always keep an eye on AGs and ABs, we all know who they pick first for those jobs.
in an infantry line unit the 240B is a crew served weapon the AG (assistant gunner) is there as a pack mule, and since the soldiers with the 240 are required to carry the tripod and the spare barrel and since infantry is mobile unfortuely you need two people minimal as a full weapon squad there would be one more and he would be the ammo bearer....
I get what your saying and if it was mounted then ya drive on but in that particular secenerio the AG primary responsiblity was to feed ammo into the weapon so the gunner could qualify on his weapon.
this AG fell asleep in between loading ammo....
(SERIOUSLY how do you fall asleep then)
Later I found out that he was in crystal meth during his off time and he was coming back down and crashing during range time....
not acceptable
You dont want a dumb SOB like that with you to the local shop, never mind to a deployment... jeez... how stupid can some folks get??...:rolleyes:
11binfantry
04-25-2007, 11:41 PM
well eveidnetly basic and AIT didn't beat it out of him or scare him stupid either way he allowed to be sucked back into the life style that got him there in the first place. I did all that I could for that troop to help instill that value's that are needed for military service....
you know one time he failed to show for a movment to a local training area because "he had to clean up after his dog"
still makes my blood boil....
well eveidnetly basic and AIT didn't beat it out of him or scare him stupid either way he allowed to be sucked back into the life style that got him there in the first place. I did all that I could for that troop to help instill that value's that are needed for military service....
you know one time he failed to show for a movment to a local training area because "he had to clean up after his dog"
still makes my blood boil....
He was obviously refering to himself... I would be the same... knawwing on a piece of wood does it for me....:D
**** em, you tagged his sorry ***, so move on, hes moving out...
11binfantry
04-26-2007, 11:18 PM
He was obviously refering to himself... I would be the same... knawwing on a piece of wood does it for me....:D
**** em, you tagged his sorry ***, so move on, hes moving out...
well ya this is a while ago that this happened, last I heard the guy who by the way was 30yrs old
lost his job at fedex and was just spiriliing down hill....
he's a lost cause as far as the army was concerned and I cut him from draggin any one down with him.
he was the weak link in our chain, but what I was really astounded by is that his desention was infecting other younger troops in our ranks for a bit.
all the privates thought that they could just walk all over and that they didn't care what the reprocussions were and I was amazed that Basic had not instilled many values in the soldiers it was producing. However now we have a good unit and platoon I'm not so worried anymore I feel that each and every soldier in there I can totally trust with my life and I can trust with other poeples life
sasha
04-27-2007, 12:21 AM
You can't and won't even take responsibilities for your own actions, why would I want you in my military? Blaming the government for YOUR mistakes lacks a little maturity.
You broke the law and there is a price for that. At 15, you were old enough to know what you were doing was wrong, so you are fully capable of accepting the responsibility for it.
You may or may not be able to get into the Army in the future, waivers are sometimes available but for something like this they are given on a case by case basis.
give the guy a break man! he realized his mistake! if he wants to join the army i think he should!
jmm001847'
04-27-2007, 07:11 AM
give the guy a break man! he realized his mistake! if he wants to join the army i think he should!
ahh the mind of a 13 year old.. Doesnt understand half the words we are even saying...
Rock-Steady
04-27-2007, 08:46 AM
ahh the mind of a 13 year old.. Doesnt understand half the words we are even saying...
That's actually the mind of a liberal, which, incidentally is equivalent to the mind of a 13 year old.
well ya this is a while ago that this happened, last I heard the guy who by the way was 30yrs old
lost his job at fedex and was just spiriliing down hill....
he's a lost cause as far as the army was concerned and I cut him from draggin any one down with him.
he was the weak link in our chain, but what I was really astounded by is that his desention was infecting other younger troops in our ranks for a bit.
all the privates thought that they could just walk all over and that they didn't care what the reprocussions were and I was amazed that Basic had not instilled many values in the soldiers it was producing. However now we have a good unit and platoon I'm not so worried anymore I feel that each and every soldier in there I can totally trust with my life and I can trust with other poeples life
I hear what your saying brother man, and I see that problem many times in Army and my Civvi Jobs.. its about some stupid assed punk with dellusions of grandeur thinking the Job should adjust to his neurotic ways.... and cradle him like a spolt child.. When he goes in under this illusion, and gets the wet fish of reality smacking him on the face, he turns into a whinging, moaney *******, who can only bad mouth the job and spread his own negative misery like cancer.. The younger and more impressionable ones are worst affected, until someone of his rank tells him to shut the **** up, or get his *** kicked!!.. I have being leading people for 10 yrs now and dealt with such ****withs with a reducing path of patience.... My Bull**** meter has being refined over the years....;)
Yo really did the right thing... if hes that stupid, he does not belong in a job with any responsibility... I hear MacDonalds are recruiting....
11binfantry
04-27-2007, 02:23 PM
I hear what your saying brother man, and I see that problem many times in Army and my Civvi Jobs.. its about some stupid assed punk with dellusions of grandeur thinking the Job should adjust to his neurotic ways.... and cradle him like a spolt child.. When he goes in under this illusion, and gets the wet fish of reality smacking him on the face, he turns into a whinging, moaney *******, who can only bad mouth the job and spread his own negative misery like cancer.. The younger and more impressionable ones are worst affected, until someone of his rank tells him to shut the **** up, or get his *** kicked!!.. I have being leading people for 10 yrs now and dealt with such ****withs with a reducing path of patience.... My Bull**** meter has being refined over the years....;)
Yo really did the right thing... if hes that stupid, he does not belong in a job with any responsibility... I hear MacDonalds are recruiting....
lol well maybe he found that job at Mac'd who know's all I'm sure of is that he is out of my unit and that my troops are all a lot safer now
lol well maybe he found that job at Mac'd who know's all I'm sure of is that he is out of my unit and that my troops are all a lot safer now
Im hearing bro... thats one less liability to worry about for the unit...
11binfantry
04-29-2007, 07:03 PM
ya well i feel that if basic training and AIT would have there hands less bound on what or how there tactics are applied we would not have the issue so much
ya well i feel that if basic training and AIT would have there hands less bound on what or how there tactics are applied we would not have the issue so much
I agree.. first 4 weeks of my training were where the instructors gave us REAL hell with one goal... get the woosies and crybabies out and then start the training syllibus with real men... they really nailed us in those 4 weeks, but the more severe it got, the more bullheaded and determined I got... worked for me... but there was an endless stream of crybabies heading for the gate.. Maybe your Officers might be lowering the bar to get enough through the training for operations... risky move me thinks...
BlackWatch
05-01-2007, 03:29 AM
If you had always wanted to join the forces since a kid you would have stayed out of crime to make sure you could enter the military, We all make silly mistakes one way and another but we have to pay in later in years..
If you had always wanted to join the forces since a kid you would have stayed out of crime to make sure you could enter the military, We all make silly mistakes one way and another but we have to pay in later in years..
Very true, and Good advice...
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