Special Forces

[Grimes]

What od you think is the best Special Forces job in the Army? Airborne, Green Berets or Rangers?

[Haehn]

If you consider Delta Force i would say that they are the best. but they are a CT group, so if not them I would say green baret

[Grimes]

I forgot about Delta Force. They are off of the Rangers.

[HoTshOt30]

marines sound so much fun to me and i heard that you can get an education b4 you go you can get in and get a great deal doing it that way.

[Tacky]

Special Forces is only an asset the US Army has. If you are attempting to encompass all Special Operations units, you would use Special Operations Forces, or SOF .. Special Forces is a specific title for those walking around in the green berets doing FID/UW and speaking in tongues.

You cannot compare SOF units, ie, no one is better or best - they all have different functions. Attempting to say one is better than another shows a complete lack of understanding for the intent, purpose and mission of these units.

[Grimes]

Okay, you may have me there. But each one is trained for different tasks. Delta for example has special training on clearing rooms and houses ect... Rangers and Green Berets from what i know at the moment are both good. Green Berets are trained for mountianus terrain.

[happy28]

Its amazing how little you know yet how many assumptions you make. Im not saying this to be a punk but its true. I'm in an Airborne unit and I still dont think I know all of what everybody does. We do get a lot of training in room / house clearing tho. My opinion coast guard has the most experiance in that. SF (the guys with the green berets) does all that stuff, room clearing, mountain training, all that good stuff. Their training takes about 2 years just to be SF, and when their done with that they still dont know anything until they spend a couple years with the team. Especially these 18x babies, they dont even know what a beret is until PLDC / BNCOC which is a joke to them. It takes a long time to grow an SF soldier but once you have one, they're pretty bad ***. They usually travel in 12 man teams. Basically you send an SF team into a country, give them a lot of guns, and a lot of money, and they will train an army for you and win the country over. Rangers are the guys that go in a batallion at a time guns a blazin all hoah without thinkin and get themselves killed. But they get the job done. Airborne unit is just another infantry unit, only we can jump out of planes...big deal. Our training is pretty cool sometimes but right now we're just like every other grunt in Iraq or Afghanistan, we guard towers and clear villages just as well as a guy without wings. Oh and Delta doesnt exist. And if they did they would definatly NOT be off the rangers.

[drumtim]

hi everyone.....i just have a question...i<m a canadian ....and i want to go in the army for hard core action...but my army definitely suck..than can i go in yours ....how?? and did the others soldier....are usually bad with the canadian thank you.......

if you want answer me quickly...e-mail me at .... drumtim@hotmail.com
thankyou

[Tacky]

Okay, you may have me there. But each one is trained for different tasks. Delta for example has special training on clearing rooms and houses ect... Rangers and Green Berets from what i know at the moment are both good. Green Berets are trained for mountianus terrain.

Green berets are hats, they don't do much of anything but sit on top of heads.

Special Forces and Rangers train for mountainous terrain, big deal - so do several other conventional leg infantry units.

Every one from the leg to USASOC better know how to clear a room.

Yes, both Special Forces and Rangers are "good" .. they are good because they train, over and over and over.

Our regular infantry is pretty good too - they're good because they too, train. However, you can't compare the Ranger Regt to the 82nd Abn - they aren't doing the same mission.

So saying one is better than the other, doesn't make much sense. It's the same with comparing SOF units, night and day.


As for "Delta" .. they recruit from the entire Army, not just SF groups and the Ranger Regt.

[rangerhopefull_1162]

task force 121 is tops man

[Tacky]

task force 121 is tops man

And you would know this how?

That's what I thought.

[rangerhopefull_1162]

ok dont even give me a chance to respond.

i didnt mean in the whole world, jeez. i meant in the u.s., i dont know how it compares to the other special forces.

task force 121 is made up of delta, navy seals, and fbi agents.

before you go acusing me of ignorance, let me explain myself first

[ozzi-solja]

what in the hell IS Task force 121??

for the ignorant Australian

[rangerhopefull_1162]

like i said in last post, task force 121 is our top elite unit, consisting of navy seals, delta and fbi agents

[ozzi-solja]

sorry, should be more specific.

the question was more directed at their mission than composition. obviously as being composed of SEAL's, FBI's and such their role would be military based/ specifically anti-terrorist stuff. is this correct?

[rangerhopefull_1162]

they were the ones who were tracking sadam. only, not the ones who found him. but yes that is one of their missions, i am sure they do secret missions the public will never know about

[rangerzrock]

i myself am fond of the rangers and they're training is just about the toughest in the world. phase 1 is a survival thing where the soldier are given mental and physical excersizes such as the darby queen (one of the longest and hardest mile-long obstacle course), then they go to mountain training i think.....either that or jungle training...whtvr. and in mountain they have to climb like huge rock faces man then rappel off. then they're jungle where they are wet pretty much the whole time. and THEN they get into.............house clearing I THINK. and then stuff like fast-roping (when u slide down a rope from a chopper hovering 90ft. off the ground) and all that kool stuff. and then they do missons using blank rounds until they're officer has the confidence to put them on a live firing assault. then.. da da da grad day. rangers do 10 live firing excersises a year (they only shoot targets an such but it's still dangerous with all the comotion and apache's and cobra's firing hell-fire missiles) and on the missons they choose guys to volunteer to be a wounded or dead so the rangers learn to get troops out fast. well if u'r wonder how a 13 year old got all this then a good video would be a 50 minute doc. on the rangers. ya i definetely choose rangers

[ozzi-solja]

haha, listen to this gung-ho little dude. mate, im sure you're gonna make a fantastic ranger one day, i hope you have a taste for raw snake meat, 'cos thats what our SF boys have to do.

[rangerhopefull_1162]

raw snake meat..............interesting

most people have a problem with heights, i dont i LOVE them. how bout u guys

[ozzi-solja]

oh hell yeah, love heights and love snake meat as well. kinda get a taste for a lot of things in this country.

mind you, i dont know if they have snakes in the Iraqi deserts. of course you could always take down a Camel....

[rangerzrock]

snake meat? well uhhh maybe. i mean i'd do that if i had to but... ya i'm gonna try and get into the rangers in about 9-10ish years.

[ozzi-solja]

good on ya. the term 'Snake Eater' actually comes from the US Marines Forced Recon, cos' apparently those boys are as rough as sandpaper, and would eat anything to stay alive in jungle for two weeks.

the term was unnofficially adopted by the Australian SAS because they're only a single regiment, as get deplyed whenever there is a crisis. Hence the overused regiment ended up in jungles/deserts maybe 9/12 months every year

[British and proud]

Are we deliberately avoiding the British SAS here or something? Royal Marines? Red Baret's? Black watch? I know these were not any of the choices listed but when you mention the word "best", these lads simply define "The best of the best"

[rangerhopefull_1162]

calm down, please dont be another js mac, we dont need that.

opinion is one thing, fact is another.

i dont know what the blackwatch is, but i have heard the sas is tops along with delta, and royal marines are as good as our marines, what is blackwatch?

[js_mac]

Dont's be stupid again, ranger - you never heard anything of the like. Royal marines are as good as US marines?? Shut the **** up - they're about the same standard as US Navy SEALS - if not, better - and before you start whining about proof again; the proof is that our marines do joint missions with your SEALS, which I remember seeing on the news during the Iraq war. The other proof is that not a single Royal marine has died since Iraq since the war started 2 years ago, and, although I don't know the exact numbers, I know a bloody hell of a lot of US marines have. (Keeping in mind that the SEALS are the elite of the US marines).

Also, you idiot, you obviously have no idea what delta force or the SAS does. You can't compare the 2 really as delta is purely counter-terrorist and the SAS does everything. The top unit in the US military is gray fox (although the name changes all the time) who I know get trained partly by the SAS. Also, all your pre-war and present recon in Iraq is done by our SAS. I know this as a fact because I saw pictures before the war and just now of SAS troops patrolling Iraqi positions in US-controlled areas, and SAS troops in Baghdad guiding your bombs onto their targets. So there's your damn answer, dip****. Get your facts straight before you start spraying bull**** all over this forum.

Also, seeing as you asked, the Black Watch is a Scottish regiment in the regular British army and probably the best of the lot: With only about 3000-odd men they almost single-handedly took over the whole southern half of Iraq in a couple of weeks. The average Black Watch-man is probably about the same as a US Ranger, as someone else said a couple of days ago.

[rangerzrock]

ok evry1 seals are seals and marines are marines and i must say that marines i wun't xactly call special forces, special forces would be stuff like the SAS, OSS, RANGERS, SEALS, FBI, GREEN BERETS, DELTA and maybe even ect. ect. but it dusn't matter whut cuntry has these different units they are still the same special forces doing the same job that they do best. :cool: :cool: :cool:

[ozzi-solja]

exaclty what i was going to say, no comparison between SEALs and Marines, completely different.

Same could be said for SEALs and SAS, again, completely different.

wouldn't even consider FBI spec forces, more a national policing agency.

only comparision i can see would be SAS and Delta, who's better??

[rangerhopefull_1162]

Dont's be stupid again, ranger - you never heard anything of the like. Royal marines are as good as US marines?? Shut the **** up - they're about the same standard as US Navy SEALS - if not, better - and before you start whining about proof again; the proof is that our marines do joint missions with your SEALS, which I remember seeing on the news during the Iraq war. The other proof is that not a single Royal marine has died since Iraq since the war started 2 years ago, and, although I don't know the exact numbers, I know a bloody hell of a lot of US marines have. (Keeping in mind that the SEALS are the elite of the US marines).

Also, you idiot, you obviously have no idea what delta force or the SAS does. You can't compare the 2 really as delta is purely counter-terrorist and the SAS does everything. The top unit in the US military is gray fox (although the name changes all the time) who I know get trained partly by the SAS. Also, all your pre-war and present recon in Iraq is done by our SAS. I know this as a fact because I saw pictures before the war and just now of SAS troops patrolling Iraqi positions in US-controlled areas, and SAS troops in Baghdad guiding your bombs onto their targets. So there's your damn answer, dip****. Get your facts straight before you start spraying bull**** all over this forum.

Also, seeing as you asked, the Black Watch is a Scottish regiment in the regular British army and probably the best of the lot: With only about 3000-odd men they almost single-handedly took over the whole southern half of Iraq in a couple of weeks. The average Black Watch-man is probably about the same as a US Ranger, as someone else said a couple of days ago.

" they're about the same standard as US Navy SEALS - if not, better -"
lol, obvoisly u know nothing about the navy seals

"and before you start whining about proof again; the proof is that our marines do joint missions with your SEALS, which I remember seeing on the news during the Iraq war. The other proof is that not a single Royal marine has died since Iraq since the war started 2 years ago"
the mission you saw was probably observation mission, or a snatch mission. and we are the ones attacking fallujiah and everything else while your marines are drinking tea.

delta is not anti terrorist alone, they do the same genre as your sas and more. the top unit, is task force 121, i would know. the pre attacks on iraq were stealth bombers , nightstalkers, delta and task force 121. i know nothing of your sas involvement. we are there en mass, while you only have several thousand there. and we are taking the heat of fighting, so theres your answer.

obviously your army has quite a involvement in iraq, what you are claiming to be equal. which cant be true, we were the ones who dove into baghdad, and then some, i will reroute you to web sites if you want to read it.

[js_mac]

" they're about the same standard as US Navy SEALS - if not, better -"
lol, obvoisly u know nothing about the navy seals

I know this isn't the best of arguments, but I saw a ****ty reality-tv show here about a year ago where 2 US navy seals and 2 royal marines were sent to hunt an ex-SAS guy in the wilderness somewhere, and they didn't even come close. Completely outclassed, I have to say. I do know a little bit as well. I know they're technically your equivalent of our SBS and are the elite of the US marines.

"and before you start whining about proof again; the proof is that our marines do joint missions with your SEALS, which I remember seeing on the news during the Iraq war. The other proof is that not a single Royal marine has died since Iraq since the war started 2 years ago"
the mission you saw was probably observation mission, or a snatch mission. and we are the ones attacking fallujiah and everything else while your marines are drinking tea

Nah, it was taking an oil field from the republican guard actually. Yeah, fallujah is in US territory... why would we go in? Yeah, our marines drink tea all day... I know for a fact that almost every marine is out in iraq taking our insurgent dens every day.


delta is not anti terrorist alone, they do the same genre as your sas and more. the top unit, is task force 121, i would know. the pre attacks on iraq were stealth bombers , nightstalkers, delta and task force 121. i know nothing of your sas involvement. we are there en mass, while you only have several thousand there. and we are taking the heat of fighting, so theres your answer.

obviously your army has quite a involvement in iraq, what you are claiming to be equal. which cant be true, we were the ones who dove into baghdad, and then some, i will reroute you to web sites if you want to read it.

Delta is anti-terrorist. They maybe vaguely stray from this if required to fulfil this role, but that's it. You obviously haven't heard of gray fox - i know most haven't. They select the best from all the rest of the US spec forces. Yeah, the pre-war air attacks were mostly US planes, but it was SAS troops in Baghdad guiding them in and doing pre-war recon. I've seen pics of them there, for ****'s sake. If your troops were up to the job, why not just use them, seeing as it's your bombs and your enemies that you'd have to fight? Another example I'll use is that you have brought in British troops to certain troublespots when you needed back-up. Need I say more? No. Also, if you pay attention, you'll see most attacks and such that you do (Fallujah) are done by US marines, and not regular army, so you have to take that into account when you compare us, cos you're actually comparing marines to regular army most of the time.
I'm not claiming it's equal. In terms of area it's roughly equal, but, yeah, you do have the most dangerous places to guard. Don't act like you know everything we did - I know for a fact that the american media said ****-all about what we did in Iraq.

[rangerzrock]

ok the first thing i want u to do js mac is to shut the *censored* up!!! u obviously have no idea about any unit of the special forces except what u get from the news. so just stay out u ***et.

[rangerzrock]

ther are thousands of missions that evry special forces squad of evry cuntry have done different scenarios ect. the public will never know about these most secret missions until the importance of them has passed. (example): one seal mission in '98 that was in bosnia and serbia, a green beret one in the vietnam war, another done by the special forces in columbia. ther are tons of them that we don't know about and that the news will never show so don't go calling this special forces group crap and this one bull sh** ect. cus u'll never know all the missions that these men risked they're asses for to save u'r neck. this is a message to js mac. but the rest of u can read it... i don't give it a rip.

[ozzi-solja]

'don't give a rip'...? now thats original, must be a yankee thing

i dont actually see why we are all arguing about this crap anyway, like i've said before, every special forces unit is different, with different uses, missions, equipment and deployments. most of them can't BE compared. they work for different countries for ****s sake

but to js_mac, the thing you said about the pre-war recon. if you'd paid attention to the news instead of just looking at the pictures, you'd find that, while your boys were in central Iraq, the Australian SAS was in Western Iraq (e.g. when they found 20 MiG's in a desert airbase) and the US was doing infiltrations into Basrah and Nasiriya. Primarily using SEAL's of course.

[rangerzrock]

i'm not a yank! i'm canadian for the 5th time lol. i got "i don't give it a rip" from my freind... canada is quite english like they have the rcaf (royal canadian air force) the royal canadian marines just like england has the royal marines and the raf. but we have more french places than english places. but nonetheless evry1 doens't have an accent (a few may have french accents but it's mostly just......drab) and for u yanks....we don't live in all-year snow and we don't live in igloos (one of my sis's frends asked if we did so i'm just saying) ok i'm straying in the topic so let's get back to normal. :D :D :D :D

[ozzi-solja]

Igloos?? Americans must be stupid.

mind you, Australia has a similar image problem. We do NOT have kangaroos jumping down the streets of any of our major cities, or any city for that matter. We do not live in stick huts. For everybodies information, Australia has a higher living standard than the United States, because we do not have as broad a diversity of social classes. We are all middle class, nobody in this country is dirt poor

[rangerzrock]

lol well that makes it even :D

[royal marine]

yer im soory to say this but royal marines fight with navy seals all the time.....the first soldiers onto the beaches of Iraq were royal marines 40 cammando and sealteam 4.....none of u who arent in cadets or miliatery cant talk.....if u ask a navy seal or royal marine they will say that they fight back to back and absolutely respect eachother for eachothers amazing fighting standards...i woulf know 5 of my mates are in royal marines.....they always visit eachother for training and always have a laugh and drink beer together and i think this should be the same for all equvalent regeimentsin our american brothers for example......black watch with the US marines.....royal marines with seals......SAS with delta.....commando regiments of the army with rangers even though they are a bit outclassed (rangers) but the best of the best are french foreign legion...jews and most of all gurkhas...i think our paras are equal to navy seals aswell

[MX8]

yer im soory to say this but royal marines fight with navy seals all the time.....the first soldiers onto the beaches of Iraq were royal marines 40 cammando and sealteam 4.....none of u who arent in cadets or miliatery cant talk.....if u ask a navy seal or royal marine they will say that they fight back to back and absolutely respect eachother for eachothers amazing fighting standards...i woulf know 5 of my mates are in royal marines.....they always visit eachother for training and always have a laugh and drink beer together and i think this should be the same for all equvalent regeimentsin our american brothers for example......black watch with the US marines.....royal marines with seals......SAS with delta.....commando regiments of the army with rangers even though they are a bit outclassed (rangers) but the best of the best are french foreign legion...jews and most of all gurkhas...i think our paras are equal to navy seals aswell

French? :confused: They could hardly shoot but run. LOL!

I am sorry for my offense, but they never went into any war except WWII. So shooting stuffed doll is their only option, unless they're practicing to surrender in front of the toy stuffed dolls, ha ha ha. So funny, aren't I? lol.

Anyways, I forgot. ;p

[MX8]

ANYWAYS!!

Does National Security Agency have a black ops that conduct mission overseas? Like Splintercell? or any kind of its simliarites (spelling)? Or is it more like Jack Baurer? Please don't flame me unless you're too retarded and jump to conclusion.

[royal marine]

incase u didnt know dumbarse....the french foreign legion are not french they are organized by french high ranking officers.....u must know this man.....french foreign legion are amazingly tough criminals and fugitives who are running away from their country.....french are not allowed to be in the french foreigns u know :confused: and also these guys are trained to be the best of the best...they are absloute nutters who can go months without food or water and have amazing stamina...u dont want to mess with these guys....to get in they must be blak belt in karate and must of killed someone so shut up mate...and yes french arent that good but they did amazing resisitance in ww2 and their commandos are immense

[kurusch]

[QUOTE=royal marine]
they are absloute nutters who can go months without food or water and have amazing stamina...

Maybe you mean the camels.
Over a quarter of the legion are Frenchmen.
You do not have to have killed anyone idiot, they run background checks.
Do any of you people know what the **** you're talking about?

While most of its commissioned officers are French, approximately 10% are former legionaires who have risen through the ranks. The rest of the Legion is made up of men from a wide variety of nationalities,with French citizens representing 25-35% of the legionnaires. The foreign volunteers are primarily European, yet some come from old French territories including Tahiti. During the mid 1980's there were large contingents of British and Yugoslavian nationals.

Legionnaires can choose to enlist under a pseudonym ("declared identity") and a declared citizenship. This disposition exists in order to allow people who want to turn a page in their life to enlist. French citizens can enlist under a declared, fictitious, foreign citizenship (generally, a francophone one). After one year, legionnaires can regularize their situation under their true identity.

In the past, the Legion had a reputation for attracting criminals on the run and would-be mercenaries. In recent years, however, admission has been restricted much more severely and background checks are done on all applicants. Generally speaking, convicted felons are prohibited from joining the service.

[ozzi-solja]

i think you'll find all the Frenchmen are officers.

but yes, i think the entry requirements are a little more humane. and as for the black belt... theres barely even enough black belts in the WORLD to make up a legion. perhaps they require A belt in A martial arts??

[MX8]

incase u didnt know dumbarse....the french foreign legion are not french they are organized by french high ranking officers.....u must know this man.....french foreign legion are amazingly tough criminals and fugitives who are running away from their country.....french are not allowed to be in the french foreigns u know :confused: and also these guys are trained to be the best of the best...they are absloute nutters who can go months without food or water and have amazing stamina...u dont want to mess with these guys....to get in they must be blak belt in karate and must of killed someone so shut up mate...and yes french arent that good but they did amazing resisitance in ww2 and their commandos are immense


Dumbarse? Umm, THEY are compose like 10%-35% of frenchment in the French Legion. Wow, they're so tought aren't they? No. I am sure a ****ty Iraqis and capture one of them and behead them. I prolly would see one at ogrish.com, I wouldn't be too suprised.

[rangerzrock]

i'm not gettin in this one :cool:

[royal marine]

sorry mx8 just correcting you and sorry kuru**** but just cos you stay on your sofa all day and read books about the army rather than go out and do stuff doesnt mean you can critisize me at all...i mean how old are you-40 maybe,IM 13

[kurusch]

[QUOTE=royal marine]sorry mx8 just correcting you and sorry kuru**** but just cos you stay on your sofa all day and read books about the army rather than go out and do stuff doesnt mean you can critisize me at all...i mean how old are you-40 maybe,IM 13

Age doesn't matter. If it does, and more people tell me so, I'll leave.
I don't sit on a sofa all day, I have a job, I have to support myself and others. What would you like me to do? **** off because I happen to have a few facts in my head?

Okay, I'm getting tired of trying to put a few facts in the forum and getting told I'm too old. A few more posts and I'm off. Enjoy your ignorant posts.

[royal marine]

yup go ten its what most people are waiting for.....i tried to make a truce and then u just come in and correct us about the tiniest mistake and call us wankers....u go then

[jsclark1]

task force 121 is tops man
April 25, 2005 - You're a member of the most elite covert unit in the entire United States military, a group made up of specially selected Navy Seal operatives, Green Berets, Army Rangers and USMC Recon personnel, all the very best of the best. Of course, this means you draw the most difficult assignments, which is why you've been given the job of stopping a lethal rebel organization before its escalating acts of terrorism can compromise American interests. As usual, you'll almost certainly require every bit of your combined skill, experience, training and physical ability to succeed. You'll be equipped to handle just about anything, with the M4 Assault rifle, M203 grenade launcher, MK43 7.62mm machinegun, .50 caliber tactical sniper rifle, C4 charges and more. However, you can never be sure what will happen, so having some luck in your pocket also wouldn't hurt.


Released just over a month ago, Combat: Task Force 121 is a first-person tactical action game based on the scenario outlined above. Developed by Direct Action Games for the PC and Xbox platforms, it encompasses 10 single-player missions in settings ranging from an oil rig to a refinery, a shanty town, dense jungle and an exotic island, while multiplayer fans can choose from eight modes. The visual elements are handled by the Unreal engine technology. Overall, this combination of features and elements would appear to place the title squarely within the current generation of shooters. As a result, you may well be surprised to learn it's a budget offering, one that publisher Groove Game has positioned at the $19.99 US retail price point. Designer John Williamson was kind enough to tell us about it from the perspective of the team.


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The Project
Combat: Task Force 121 is a fast-paced, multiplayer-oriented first-person shooter with 10 single player missions. It features 13 multiplayer maps and eight multiplayer game types (DM, Team DM, CTF, VIP, Last Man Standing, Team Last Man Standing, King of the Hill, Team King of the Hill) playable in four-player split screen, Xbox Live and PC LAN / Internet. A maximum of 16 players is supported in both the Xbox and PC versions. At $19.99, Combat: Task Force 121 is priced to allow a group of friends to purchase copies and join in on the fun.

we made amazing use of every single asset the team created... In fact, we were actually able to ship more multiplayer maps than we originally planned for.

[jsclark1]

what in the hell IS Task force 121??

for the ignorant Australian

Combat: Task Force 121 is a fast-paced, multiplayer-oriented first-person shooter with 10 single player missions. It features 13 multiplayer maps and eight multiplayer game types (DM, Team DM, CTF, VIP, Last Man Standing, Team Last Man Standing, King of the Hill, Team King of the Hill) playable in four-player split screen, Xbox Live and PC LAN / Internet. A maximum of 16 players is supported in both the Xbox and PC versions. At $19.99, Combat: Task Force 121 is priced to allow a group of friends to purchase copies and join in on the fun.

we made amazing use of every single asset the team created... In fact, we were actually able to ship more multiplayer maps than we originally planned for.

[torspo[fin]]

task force 121 is tops man


Combat: Task Force 121 is a fast-paced, multiplayer-oriented first-person shooter with 10 single player missions. It features 13 multiplayer maps and eight multiplayer game types (DM, Team DM, CTF, VIP, Last Man Standing, Team Last Man Standing, King of the Hill, Team King of the Hill) playable in four-player split screen, Xbox Live and PC LAN / Internet. A maximum of 16 players is supported in both the Xbox and PC versions. At $19.99, Combat: Task Force 121 is priced to allow a group of friends to purchase copies and join in on the fun.

we made amazing use of every single asset the team created... In fact, we were actually able to ship more multiplayer maps than we originally planned for.

this tells me all about special forces... ><
oh for... ............. ><
why this forum hasnt any mods?...... ><
goddamn it..... im loosin it already..
(oh hell this is gotta be some elaborate scam to choke everybody in their own laughter)

our basic training is concidered equal to special forces training in many contrys...
... i wonder how our special forces would measure up... they would propably suck anyhows..
so i dont even bother thinkin.

[royal marine]

okay back to the topic
what light machine guns dothe american special forces use by the way

[Tacky]

Reading this thread is better than reading the Sunday comics .. not one of you wannabes knows what the hell he is talking about - yet, you'll stand up and defend your misinformation to the end.

Hit the books kids, do more research .. and realise, before it's too late - you don't know Jack. Trust me, it will help you when you decide to become men.

[yomchi247]

one thing you need to realize is royal marine is **13 years old**

[Tacky]

one thing you need to realize is royal marine is **13 years old**


That much is obvious by his posts - a few others hold that age as well.

[royal marine]

yup 13 and proud...and i dont stay a home and read military books all day either

[Tacky]

yup 13 and proud...and i dont stay a home and read military books all day either

That much is clear from your lack of knowledge - nothing you've said in any of your posts that I've read has been correct. You may want to learn to keep your eyes and ears open and mouth closed a little more, a little discipline wouldn't hurt you at all.

[andoman_42]

Well said indeed =)

[yomchi247]

knowledge is power

[royal marine]

but all you sad people do is go out and get no exercise and read books and watch history channel all day...and me in the marine cadets is discipline bcos thats what we are taught beleive it or not....also in the marines (cadets and officials) they get encouraged to hate the americans.....if you dont beleive me then look it up

[andoman_42]

but all you sad people do is go out and get no exercise and read books and watch history channel all day...

First of all....I have a day job....so that I can pay my bills.....secondly.....I train weekly.....both gym and martial arts.....and study latin whenever I have spare time as my fourth language.....and then of course I study military history too.....so could you for once just keep your fingers of the keyboard until you actually have something constructive to write.....

[Tacky]

but all you sad people do is go out and get no exercise and read books and watch history channel all day...and me in the marine cadets is discipline bcos thats what we are taught beleive it or not....also in the marines (cadets and officials) they get encouraged to hate the americans.....if you dont beleive me then look it up

Oh boy, a "Marine Cadet" .. well, why didn't you say so? Those of us with real world military and SOF experience can report to our COs and tell them they're doing everything wrong! We've got a real life "Marine Cadet" here ... woo wee!

You do realise, with your idiocy and attitude, you'll never make it in the military, yes?

[royal marine]

first of all i keep my mouth shut in the marine cadets unless asked a question and we get bollocked for being ****y...and that aint happened to me yet.also stop insulting me and just carry on with the topic therefore you wont have to unleash your anger on me

[Tacky]

first of all i keep my mouth shut in the marine cadets unless asked a question and we get bollocked for being ****y...and that aint happened to me yet.also stop insulting me and just carry on with the topic therefore you wont have to unleash your anger on me

Playing a part to satisfy your superiors, while not living that credo is the sign of a poor and honorless individual. I would suggest you start looking at what type of man you want to be. A moral and honorable man or a sniveling coward who sits behind a computer screen, and attempts to bait others. Your ploys are obvious, as is your ignorance. The only people you are pissing off on this board are other children, like yourself, who are too immature and ignorant to know the realities of life and military service.

My best advice to you is to shut up and listen. Read books, do research.. and remember, 90% of what you will read in those books concerning SOF units is wrong. If you really want to know about them, sign up .. keep your mouth shut, and soldier on.

[royal marine]

i do a lot of research already and have to know a lot about military affairs worldwide to join the royal marines commandos but i have not read enough to come level with you lot who seem to know everything (except andoman)

[andoman_42]

i do a lot of research already and have to know a lot about military affairs worldwide to join the royal marines commandos but i have not read enough to come level with you lot who seem to know everything (except andoman)

Hmmm....that just asks for a response :)

Yeps, I don´t know everything as I haven´t studied all the different units of UK/US armies and their differences as I really dont care which one of them has the most hair on the chest or how long they train...I´m more interested in the bigger picture....in my opinion(yup, no fact there) it is the military(army+navy+airforce) as a whole that wins/loses wars......my current interest lies mostly in the evolution/history of warfare/weapons/tactics during the last 2000 years and the impact of war in technological development . And of course WW2 from Finlands perspective is close to my heart as is Finlands current military and its development.

[Tacky]

i do a lot of research already and have to know a lot about military affairs worldwide to join the royal marines commandos but i have not read enough to come level with you lot who seem to know everything (except andoman)

My knowledge comes from 15 years of active duty SOF experience. Working in and with the units you claim to be an expert on. I would suggest you do more research - and get off of the whose better kick. Every unit has a speciality and every unit has a weakness. We crosstrain with everyone because we aren't stupid - and we don't let pride and rivarlies get in the way of our professionalism. To you, it is a game .. to us, it is live or die.

You have the potential to learn a lot online - but not from the mouthy kids, like yourself and others.

[royal marine]

did you train with the royal marines because 1 thing i do know is royal marines history and knowledge

[Tacky]

did you train with the royal marines because 1 thing i do know is royal marines history and knowledge

Several times.

[royal marine]

so you must of been a navy seal then

[wibubba]

knowledge is power

And you are powerless

[yomchi247]

lol and you are pathetic for searching my posts out to reply to them :rolleyes:

[kurusch]

May I remind everyone that the original question asked about the differences between American forces, before Royal Marine stuck his oar in.

[Tacky]

May I remind everyone that the original question asked about the differences between American forces, before Royal Marine stuck his oar in.

The original question was what is the "best" Special Operations Force to join. The answer is .. there is no best, everyone has a job to do, everyone has mission specific training. All units excell, some excell better in different areas. US SOF cross train with each other, and with SOF units all over the world - this is to better prepare for real life missions, not "who can kick whose *** better" competitions on the internet and in Hollywood films.

[kurusch]

'What od you think is the best Special Forces job in the Army? Airborne, Green Berets or Rangers?'

Define 'best'.

[Tacky]

Define 'best'.

<yawn> Give up.

[kurusch]

<yawn> Give up.

So easily? Best can mean most successful, best at utilising available equipment, best record, most secretive, most famous, most glorified, you name it. Stop yawning and wake up.

[Tacky]

So easily? Best can mean most successful, best at utilising available equipment, best record, most secretive, most famous, most glorified, you name it. Stop yawning and wake up.

Stop attempting to rile the children into another silly and pointless debate. If you want to know, join every single SOF unit in the world, this way, you have a real educated opinion, then get back to me.

[kurusch]

Stop attempting to rile the children into another silly and pointless debate. If you want to know, join every single SOF unit in the world, this way, you have a real educated opinion, then get back to me.

So you are judge and jury as to who can post here then? I can't have views? I mustn't make an attempt at a discussion then? If it's all the same to you, I won't get back to you, nor anyone else. I think I might post here as and when I feel like it and certainly won't need nor ask your opinion. Who are the children? Who are the adults? I'm trying to talk about the subject matter, it's you that's personalising it.
And can't you read? This is supposed to be about American special forces, not 'every single SOF unit in the world'. I've pointed this out before. Get a grip.

[kurusch]

Reading this thread is better than reading the Sunday comics .. not one of you wannabes knows what the hell he is talking about - yet, you'll stand up and defend your misinformation to the end.

Hit the books kids, do more research .. and realise, before it's too late - you don't know Jack. Trust me, it will help you when you decide to become men.

Yes, you say this, and you might be right. But you don't contribute much yourself do you? I think you prefer to criticise for the sake of it, rather than point out mistakes. You're a bit of a wannabe yourself. The drone of snide comments about age, either 'too old to be here' or in your case, 'Hit the books kids,...........Trust me, it will help you when you decide to become men., is infantile and patronising beyond what an adult would say. Not to mention highly unoriginal.

[royal marine]

yes finally some one who agress with me that tacky is so full of himself and just cos hes old hes te best person here

kurusch are you in the army by any chance

[Tacky]

Yes, you say this, and you might be right. But you don't contribute much yourself do you? I think you prefer to criticise for the sake of it, rather than point out mistakes. You're a bit of a wannabe yourself. The drone of snide comments about age, either 'too old to be here' or in your case, 'Hit the books kids,...........Trust me, it will help you when you decide to become men., is infantile and patronising beyond what an adult would say. Not to mention highly unoriginal.

lol .. okay, but I'm still waiting on YOU to man up and join one of the units you like to argue about. Let me know when you do, hero. :D

[Tacky]

So you are judge and jury as to who can post here then? I can't have views? I mustn't make an attempt at a discussion then? If it's all the same to you, I won't get back to you, nor anyone else. I think I might post here as and when I feel like it and certainly won't need nor ask your opinion. Who are the children? Who are the adults? I'm trying to talk about the subject matter, it's you that's personalising it.
And can't you read? This is supposed to be about American special forces, not 'every single SOF unit in the world'. I've pointed this out before. Get a grip.

I see a lot of whining, but not much discussing.

If one wanted to discuss various SOF units within the US military, it would be very easy to ask what the primary differences are. Asking who is better or best, proves immaturity and inexperience, and accomplishes nothing.

You seem to be the only one taking posts personally. lol


Have a very nice day!

[kurusch]

I see a lot of whining, but not much discussing.

If one wanted to discuss various SOF units within the US military, it would be very easy to ask what the primary differences are. Asking who is better or best, proves immaturity and inexperience, and accomplishes nothing.

You seem to be the only one taking posts personally. lol


Have a very nice day!

You can lol all you want, you still specialise in criticising and not contributing. That's all you've been doing. Please at least try not to patronise with every post.
'Asking who is better or best, proves immaturity and inexperience, and accomplishes nothing.'
Are you superior to every one else here? Your insistance that you are 'mature' and 'experienced' and the only one to 'accomplish anything', is patently absurd. Mature people don't condemn others for their supposed immaturity, they don't need to. Experienced people don't usually brag about it. They use their knowledge in debate but don't thrust it (if it really exists) in peoples faces who are trying to discuss and understand. Write everyone off that you consider not fit to talk about subjects, and you'll end up talking to yourself. Not a bad idea that, at least the rest of us could return to talking on topic. As for accomplishing anything, you've done more to derail this thread than anyone, you accomplish only the adverting of your own ignorance laddy.

'You seem to be the only one taking posts personally. lol'
lol away old son, but if your boasted maturity and experience were real, wouldn't you just shut up? You like to regard everyone else here as kids, fine, regard and lol to your hearts content, but close your mouth for a while and let these 'kids' get a word in. Eh?

Oh, and for the third time Mister maturity, this was the original question.

'What od you think is the best Special Forces job in the Army? Airborne, Green Berets or Rangers?'

My apologies on behalf of the questioner, for being below the maturity, experience and acheivement threshold you hold so dear.

[royal marine]

tacky just because he knows loads on the army does not mean he has to join it
you sound like some sick child hater

[yomchi247]

man, kurusch, you have no idea what you're talking about. Tacky has experience in at least one of the special forces groups that this discussion is about...that right there qualifies him to call anyone who comments on this that doesn't have at least the same experience an idiot...because the fact is, unless you actually have served in one of those units, your comments are nothing but ignorant.

The fact that royal marine and yourself twist and turn words around to create arguments further proves the point Tacky has tried to make. You're just spewing bull**** to get a rise out of him.

"lol away old son, but if your boasted maturity and experience were real, wouldn't you just shut up?"

He's commenting on the question at hand, and he gave the best answer you can give. There are NO best. Each has their own strengths that they bring to the table. Compare it to a baseball team. Would you ask "which position is the best"? If you answer that with anything but "None, they all have their purpose", you're an idiot. If you don't have someone in the right field, the other team is going to attack that spot on the field when they hit.

Same goes with the original question. Every Special Force unit has their spot on the field to cover...that way THE WHOLE field is covered.

[kurusch]

man, kurusch, you have no idea what you're talking about. Tacky has experience in at least one of the special forces groups that this discussion is about...that right there qualifies him to call anyone who comments on this that doesn't have at least the same experience an idiot...because the fact is, unless you actually have served in one of those units, your comments are nothing but ignorant.

The fact that royal marine and yourself twist and turn words around to create arguments further proves the point Tacky has tried to make. You're just spewing bull**** to get a rise out of him.

"lol away old son, but if your boasted maturity and experience were real, wouldn't you just shut up?"

He's commenting on the question at hand, and he gave the best answer you can give. There are NO best. Each has their own strengths that they bring to the table. Compare it to a baseball team. Would you ask "which position is the best"? If you answer that with anything but "None, they all have their purpose", you're an idiot. If you don't have someone in the right field, the other team is going to attack that spot on the field when they hit.

Same goes with the original question. Every Special Force unit has their spot on the field to cover...that way THE WHOLE field is covered.

Jesus, another one who jerks out of his pram without readinga whole thread. Let me see if I can explain this for the near-braindead. If you take a few moments of your precious time to peruse the preceeding posts, you will see that my comment was 'can we get back on topic' and to remind everyone that the topic is supposed to be the American SOF: 'May I remind everyone that the original question asked about the differences between
American forces, before Royal Marine stuck his oar in.'

All right so far? Absorbed that? Okay, next:
Now, you may believe I have no idea what I'm talking about and franky, I'm certainly not gonna waste time explaining and re-explaining myself to every concrete headed person here. However, the genius Tacky, jumped on me much as you are doing now. Instead of just getting on with the subject, he and you seem to resent anyone asking questions and attempting to answer some. Now the, let's see:

'Tacky has experience in at least one of the special forces groups that this discussion is about...that right there qualifies him to call anyone who comments on this that doesn't have at least the same experience an idiot.'
No sir, it does not. If one has experience in a field and wants to enlighten those whom one believes in error, they explain and back it up with data. Resorting to name calling is not a sign of a well qualified person.

'because the fact is, unless you actually have served in one of those units, your comments are nothing but ignorant.'
I see. You know my qualifications do you? Is it possible that I too know something about the subject and others, but decline to boast my 'superiority'. I would say your manic assumption is ignorance. Besides, does one have to be a politician to discuss politics? Does one have to be a chef to discuss food? Does one have to be serving their country to have a view, and indeed knowledge, on miltary matters. If that's the case, you'd better tell the Brush and Rumsfeld and the rest of that grubby band.

'You're just spewing bull**** to get a rise out of him'
Well apart from the fact that it seems all too easy for him to 'rise' himself, I would again reccomend you to read the preceeding posts.

[/i]'He's commenting on the question at hand,'
Indeed he is, but he also doesn't want any criticism of his views, that's not good commentating.

[i]'and he gave the best answer you can give.'
So we have to take his word as gospel? I prefer to read his comments and check them and judge for myself. I prefer not to be a clapping disciple thanks all the same. Despite your and his ridicule, I have a brain too, and I think I'll continue to use it. That alright?

'There are NO best.'
Of course there are and you say so in your next sentence.

'Each has their own strengths that they bring to the table'
Precisely. Each organisation has a superior quality that combined, is very effective. Can you understand the subtle words here? 'There own strengths' IE, their own better qualities.

'Compare it to a baseball team. Would you ask "which position is the best"?'
That's like asking which military rank is 'best' and irrelevent.


'Same goes with the original question. Every Special Force unit has their spot on the field to cover...that way THE WHOLE field is covered'
Indeed. One is better than another at a particular skill. Perhaps I could reccomend you to a good dictionary?

[yomchi247]

Holy ****...another person twisting words to form opinions on... If you take a few moments of your precious time to peruse the original post, you will see that it has nothing to do with differences between the forces...

What od you think is the best Special Forces job in the Army? Airborne, Green Berets or Rangers?

Do you see the word "differences" in there? This isn't even an argument. He asked what the best Special Forces job is. That is such a general question that the only answer can be they are all "best" at their own thing....which is what Tacky has said.

best Audio pronunciation of "best" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bst)
adj. Superlative of good.

1. Surpassing all others in excellence, achievement, or quality; most excellent: the best performer; the best grade of ore.
2. Most satisfactory, suitable, or useful; most desirable: the best solution; the best time for planting.
3. Greatest; most: He spoke for the best part of an hour.
4. Most highly skilled: the best doctor in town.

You know my qualifications do you?

First of all, it's a general "you" not completely directed at you, but used as an example of what happens all the time here. People try to pass their opinions off as fact, and the sad thing is, the majority of people that visit this board for factual information might think that it is real. If you had qualifications, which I doubt, you should list them when you try to express a view on something. Otherwise it's nothing more than a baseless opinion. It's one thing to read about it, and a whole other to actually experience it. An example of this is Royal Marine who is 13 years old, yet knows more about everything here than anyone (obvious sarcasm if you didn't get it).

"[/i]'He's commenting on the question at hand,'
Indeed he is, but he also doesn't want any criticism of his views, that's not good commentating"

Let me ask you again. What is your background in the Special Forces? His "views" are from experience. So far all you've backed yours up with is bull**** grade school "I don't need to if I don't want to" like comments.

" [i]'and he gave the best answer you can give.'
So we have to take his word as gospel? I prefer to read his comments and check them and judge for myself. I prefer not to be a clapping disciple thanks all the same. Despite your and his ridicule, I have a brain too, and I think I'll continue to use it. That alright?

'There are NO best.'
Of course there are and you say so in your next sentence.

'Each has their own strengths that they bring to the table'
Precisely. Each organisation has a superior quality that combined, is very effective. Can you understand the subtle words here? 'There own strengths' IE, their own better qualities."

Re-read that whole segment there......done? Ok what the **** are you trying to get at? You're contradicting the **** out of yourself, and arguing with me by twisting my words, then using my exact same point....You're not even posing an opposing view.

My point is that there ARE NO BEST, and you obviously don't get this comment "'Each has their own strengths that they bring to the table'". Go back and read the definition of "best". When asking which Special Forces unit is the best, it is an overall best. If you want to know who is best at water, mountain, jungle, etc...you ask that...but he asked which one is the BEST.

"'Same goes with the original question. Every Special Force unit has their spot on the field to cover...that way THE WHOLE field is covered'
Indeed. One is better than another at a particular skill. Perhaps I could reccomend you to a good dictionary?"

Are you ****ing serious? Did you not actually read what I posted? You just followed up what I said with the exact same comment, then proceeded to act like I'm the stupid one. "Every Special Force unit has their spot on the field to cover"..."One is better than another at a particular skill". Now this is fine if we are talking about specific skills ...but we aren't. Again...read the original question.

"Compare it to a baseball team. Would you ask "which position is the best"?'
That's like asking which military rank is 'best' and irrelevent."

No, moron, this would be like asking which military JOB is 'best'. You don't start out as an outfielder and work your way up to pitcher. Do you even understand the comparison? And yes, my point is that it is irrelevant. Get it??

"However, the genius Tacky, jumped on me much as you are doing now"

How did he jump on you? You're proving yourself to be childish and you need to release your mouth from your moms tit.. We'll go back to the first post Tacky had towards you, which is all that really needs to be said.

The original question was what is the "best" Special Operations Force to join. The answer is .. there is no best, everyone has a job to do, everyone has mission specific training. All units excell, some excell better in different areas. US SOF cross train with each other, and with SOF units all over the world - this is to better prepare for real life missions, not "who can kick whose *** better" competitions on the internet and in Hollywood films.

Look at your replies to him. All you are doing is being a child trying to get an argument, but you are horrible at the arguing part of it. Proof in the fact that you are arguing with me using the exact same point. You can avoid this by actually READING the post and trying to comprehend it. Good luck...you need it

[Texas]

Some of the comments on this thread are seriously funny .You know you could always leave your present employers and go into show business. You'd definately qualify ! :rolleyes:

[royal marine]

yes i must admit this is quite entertaining and also another let-down for the people to start an argument and blame ''royal marine'' for it because i have not been involved this time so they mightwanna blame someone else

[yomchi247]

if you're talking about me, you need to join the other guy and take some reading classes...

[kurusch]

Holy ****...another person twisting words to form opinions on... If you take a few moments of your precious time to peruse the original post, you will see that it has nothing to do with differences between the forces...



Do you see the word "differences" in there? This isn't even an argument. He asked what the best Special Forces job is. That is such a general question that the only answer can be they are all "best" at their own thing....which is what Tacky has said.

best Audio pronunciation of "best" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bst)
adj. Superlative of good.

1. Surpassing all others in excellence, achievement, or quality; most excellent: the best performer; the best grade of ore.
2. Most satisfactory, suitable, or useful; most desirable: the best solution; the best time for planting.
3. Greatest; most: He spoke for the best part of an hour.
4. Most highly skilled: the best doctor in town.

You know my qualifications do you?

First of all, it's a general "you" not completely directed at you, but used as an example of what happens all the time here. People try to pass their opinions off as fact, and the sad thing is, the majority of people that visit this board for factual information might think that it is real. If you had qualifications, which I doubt, you should list them when you try to express a view on something. Otherwise it's nothing more than a baseless opinion. It's one thing to read about it, and a whole other to actually experience it. An example of this is Royal Marine who is 13 years old, yet knows more about everything here than anyone (obvious sarcasm if you didn't get it).

"[/i]'He's commenting on the question at hand,'
Indeed he is, but he also doesn't want any criticism of his views, that's not good commentating"

Let me ask you again. What is your background in the Special Forces? His "views" are from experience. So far all you've backed yours up with is bull**** grade school "I don't need to if I don't want to" like comments.

" [i]'and he gave the best answer you can give.'
So we have to take his word as gospel? I prefer to read his comments and check them and judge for myself. I prefer not to be a clapping disciple thanks all the same. Despite your and his ridicule, I have a brain too, and I think I'll continue to use it. That alright?

'There are NO best.'
Of course there are and you say so in your next sentence.

'Each has their own strengths that they bring to the table'
Precisely. Each organisation has a superior quality that combined, is very effective. Can you understand the subtle words here? 'There own strengths' IE, their own better qualities."

Re-read that whole segment there......done? Ok what the **** are you trying to get at? You're contradicting the **** out of yourself, and arguing with me by twisting my words, then using my exact same point....You're not even posing an opposing view.

My point is that there ARE NO BEST, and you obviously don't get this comment "'Each has their own strengths that they bring to the table'". Go back and read the definition of "best". When asking which Special Forces unit is the best, it is an overall best. If you want to know who is best at water, mountain, jungle, etc...you ask that...but he asked which one is the BEST.

"'Same goes with the original question. Every Special Force unit has their spot on the field to cover...that way THE WHOLE field is covered'
Indeed. One is better than another at a particular skill. Perhaps I could reccomend you to a good dictionary?"

Are you ****ing serious? Did you not actually read what I posted? You just followed up what I said with the exact same comment, then proceeded to act like I'm the stupid one. "Every Special Force unit has their spot on the field to cover"..."One is better than another at a particular skill". Now this is fine if we are talking about specific skills ...but we aren't. Again...read the original question.

"Compare it to a baseball team. Would you ask "which position is the best"?'
That's like asking which military rank is 'best' and irrelevent."

No, moron, this would be like asking which military JOB is 'best'. You don't start out as an outfielder and work your way up to pitcher. Do you even understand the comparison? And yes, my point is that it is irrelevant. Get it??

"However, the genius Tacky, jumped on me much as you are doing now"

How did he jump on you? You're proving yourself to be childish and you need to release your mouth from your moms tit.. We'll go back to the first post Tacky had towards you, which is all that really needs to be said.



Look at your replies to him. All you are doing is being a child trying to get an argument, but you are horrible at the arguing part of it. Proof in the fact that you are arguing with me using the exact same point. You can avoid this by actually READING the post and trying to comprehend it. Good luck...you need it


Do try and un-knot your knickers. You make even less sense when you lose control. You say I am being a child trying to 'get' an argument. What am I allowed to say then old love? Must I agree with everything so as to win approval of people that talk crap? You say I am 'horrible at the arguing part of it', well I'm sorry I don't reach the Shakespearen levels of English you lot enjoy. 'horrible at the arguing part of it'.........mmmm, yeah, quality English. You'd make a better point, screaming about my 'childishness' if you calmed down yourself and made whatever argument you think you're making, instead of flinging insults. Look old love, you might quite like licking Tacky's golden ring-piece, and that's your right, but don't expect everyone to be so keen on it. Can't he respond himself? At least he has a semi-decent command of the language.
Now than, let's see what you've said about me in your last post of genius.
'No qualifications'.
'Give nothing but baseless opinion'
'Bull****ter'
'Self contradictory'
'Word twister'
'Moron'
'Childish'
'Need to release my mouth from mummy's titty'
'Horrible at arguing'

Thank you, it's heartening to debate a chap of your calibre. If, at any time, you or your god Tacky feel able to return and make a point that isn't abusive, please feel free to knock at my door.

[kurusch]

if you're talking about me, you need to join the other guy and take some reading classes...

One should avoid paranoid feelings.

[yomchi247]

You are everything that you just posted. Do you not get it? Let's add hypocritical to that list, because you don't even see what you start. I didn't attack you by calling you names until you went to that level. My first post said you have no idea what you're talking about , which you have proven without me giving facts. I said You're just spewing bull**** , because it is proving itself to be nothing but.

Yes I said you twist and turn words around to create arguments , and again, that is proven by your debating using the same exact stance, but in different words. Do you seriously not see it? I can't spell it out any clearer.

Now let's look at your first post to me...You called me...near-braindead ,concrete headed ,clapping disciple , one who jerks out of his pram without readinga whole thread

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE HYPOCRISY IN THIS? You yourself said...Resorting to name calling is not a sign of a well qualified person . You were the first one to "call names".

The point is, there is no argument. You interpreted the question wrong. The fact that you resort to the old "you're calling me names" is proof enough that you are indeed wrong. You didn't Focus on that fact. Maybe you should actually go back and try to understand the other posts before you comment on them, because you obviously didn't get it on the first try. You are either completely-braindead, or it takes you time to understand things.

[kurusch]

You are everything that you just posted. Do you not get it? Let's add hypocritical to that list, because you don't even see what you start. I didn't attack you by calling you names until you went to that level. My first post said you have no idea what you're talking about , which you have proven without me giving facts. I said You're just spewing bull**** , because it is proving itself to be nothing but.

Yes I said you twist and turn words around to create arguments , and again, that is proven by your debating using the same exact stance, but in different words. Do you seriously not see it? I can't spell it out any clearer.

Now let's look at your first post to me...You called me...near-braindead ,concrete headed ,clapping disciple , one who jerks out of his pram without readinga whole thread

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE HYPOCRISY IN THIS? You yourself said...Resorting to name calling is not a sign of a well qualified person . You were the first one to "call names".

The point is, there is no argument. You interpreted the question wrong. The fact that you resort to the old "you're calling me names" is proof enough that you are indeed wrong. You didn't Focus on that fact. Maybe you should actually go back and try to understand the other posts before you comment on them, because you obviously didn't get it on the first try. You are either completely-braindead, or it takes you time to understand things.

Dear oh dear, what an excitable pair you are. There's no hypocricy old love, because I haven't made any claims to being knowledgeable and an 'expert'. I prefer that other posters check my facts and make their own minds up. Now then, how's about you calm down and allow people to get on with the topic. I will if you will. Okay?

[royal marine]

i have to say that yomchi is just backing up tacky becuase he wants a reputation from him
also you are the stressiest guy i have met,once you 2 want to stop argueing with kurusch about bull**** because your lives are ****-ups and non-excitable then i might carry on with the topic,or is that impossible with these 2

[yomchi247]

ok Kurusch, I think we just aren't understanding each other, and that's fine, so let's just leave it at that. I didn't mean my posts to attack you, and I think that's how they came across. I don't know you personally, so if I've offended you in my posts, I appologize. :)


i have to say that yomchi is just backing up tacky becuase he wants a reputation from him
also you are the stressiest guy i have met,once you 2 want to stop argueing with kurusch about bull**** because your lives are ****-ups and non-excitable then i might carry on with the topic,or is that impossible with these 2


13, grow up and realize this is a message board. I don't care, nor want, a "reputation" from anyone. Being a pre-adolescent you wouldn't understand that.

If you have something positive to add to the topic...please, carry on...

[Jason_Bourne]

i have to say that yomchi is just backing up tacky becuase he wants a reputation from him
also you are the stressiest guy i have met,once you 2 want to stop argueing with kurusch about bull**** because your lives are ****-ups and non-excitable then i might carry on with the topic,or is that impossible with these 2

crap this crazy son of a ***** is screwing everybodies fun here. Go home, stay home, and never come here again cuz your really pissin me off. you must understand that your 13... YOU DONT KNOW ONE DAMN THING!! so stop walking in threads and acting like some braty 5 year old brit...oops, too late.

ANYWAYS, back on topic, i personaly love Rangers, they kick *** and have a cool name IMO not that that does **** about anything but still, from what i have seen/read/researched, i envy Rangers. But i appreciate all the forces in the US Army.

[royal marine]

:rolleyes: yup theres another example

anyway lets carry on with topic without a couple of yanks coming in saying their army rules
would rangers be classed as special forces or are hey still infantry, i know they were founded to be commandos but is that still the same?

[Tacky]

kurusch, you are a bit whiney, lad. It is good, however, that you've given up the argument you started over getting your pee-pee slapped. Your tactics are see through, and not very good. Hopefully, you will gain a bit of that maturity you like to scream about. I am certain you will have some angry reply, as you did when I reminded you how silly your question was - but, let's just move on and take it for what it is.


Wannabe Royal Marine, Special Forces is an actual group in the US military. It is a title like Navy SEALs, Army Rangers - they are the fellows in the green berets. In the US military, Special Operations Forces, or SOF is used to describe general SpecOps groups.

Yes, the Rangers are considered SOF. They are under USASOC as well as USSOCOM and their missions are SpecOps in nature.

[Jason_Bourne]

I think we should convince the admin of this site to change the brits name to Wannabe Royal Marines.

Hey Tacky, what does USASOC and USSOCOM mean? those are a lot of letters ;)

[Pappy]

USASOC: United States Army Special Operations Command (just the army)
USSOCOM: United States Special Operations Command (Army, Navy, and Airforce)


Royal Marine, the rangers are a light infantry, but they fall under the spec ops command. Their missions are conventional direct action, however they specialize in assaults and seizures and get a bunch of fun toys and training since they belong to SOCOM.

[natedawg]

Royal Marine........................jus stop before you become even more ignorant and stupid. You act like the royal marines are the most elite fighting force in the world. You bash rangers and US marines, etc. even though royal marines fall right next to or behind rangers. Do you even know what it takes to be a Ranger?? FIrst you have to go through your basic training which is 9 weeks long, take AIT (advanced infantry training), go through a 3 week airborne school and if you make it through that you go to the RIP which is the Ranger Indoctrination Program. Basically what it is is training to see if ur good enough for the Rangers. If you make it through you are selected into the 75th Ranger Regiment. Then you go through a 62 day Ranger school where you are tested physically and mentally to the extreme. and its said that about half of the students fail to graduate. After graduation the student has now earned the title as a ranger and is assigned to one of the three ranger battalions. And its said that Rangers are always training performing live fire exercises and stuff. ANd for everyone reading this i know im probably not totally correct so correct me if im not. Now don't get me wrong. I'm sure Royal Marines training is very tough and if u wouldn't mind i'd like you to tell me the training you have to go through to become a royal marine (since you know so much about em). But don't jus bash rangers like there some basic light infantry since they are the most elite light infantry force.

[Texas]

Royal Marine........................jus stop before you become even more ignorant and stupid. You act like the royal marines are the most elite fighting force in the world. You bash rangers and US marines, etc. even though royal marines fall right next to or behind rangers. Do you even know what it takes to be a Ranger?? FIrst you have to go through your basic training which is 9 weeks long, take AIT (advanced infantry training), go through a 3 week airborne school and if you make it through that you go to the RIP which is the Ranger Indoctrination Program. Basically what it is is training to see if ur good enough for the Rangers. If you make it through you are selected into the 75th Ranger Regiment. Then you go through a 62 day Ranger school where you are tested physically and mentally to the extreme. and its said that about half of the students fail to graduate. After graduation the student has now earned the title as a ranger and is assigned to one of the three ranger battalions. And its said that Rangers are always training performing live fire exercises and stuff. ANd for everyone reading this i know im probably not totally correct so correct me if im not. Now don't get me wrong. I'm sure Royal Marines training is very tough and if u wouldn't mind i'd like you to tell me the training you have to go through to become a royal marine (since you know so much about em). But don't jus bash rangers like there some basic light infantry since they are the most elite light infantry force.

Commando training for the Royal Marines
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/static/pages/1370.html

[kurusch]

ok Kurusch, I think we just aren't understanding each other, and that's fine, so let's just leave it at that. I didn't mean my posts to attack you, and I think that's how they came across. I don't know you personally, so if I've offended you in my posts, I appologize. :)

Late response, sorry. You haven't offended me at all. I don't take offense. I do like a good, constuctive argument, even if it gets heated. And yes, we'll leave our 'personal' differences 'at that'.

[royal marine]

wait for it yomchi i have not said anything dont blame it on me just yet

[sealteam6]

Royal Marine........................jus stop before you become even more ignorant and stupid. You act like the royal marines are the most elite fighting force in the world. You bash rangers and US marines, etc. even though royal marines fall right next to or behind rangers. Do you even know what it takes to be a Ranger?? FIrst you have to go through your basic training which is 9 weeks long, take AIT (advanced infantry training), go through a 3 week airborne school and if you make it through that you go to the RIP which is the Ranger Indoctrination Program. Basically what it is is training to see if ur good enough for the Rangers. If you make it through you are selected into the 75th Ranger Regiment. Then you go through a 62 day Ranger school where you are tested physically and mentally to the extreme. and its said that about half of the students fail to graduate. After graduation the student has now earned the title as a ranger and is assigned to one of the three ranger battalions. And its said that Rangers are always training performing live fire exercises and stuff. ANd for everyone reading this i know im probably not totally correct so correct me if im not. Now don't get me wrong. I'm sure Royal Marines training is very tough and if u wouldn't mind i'd like you to tell me the training you have to go through to become a royal marine (since you know so much about em). But don't jus bash rangers like there some basic light infantry since they are the most elite light infantry force.


Furthermore, Royal Marine should be banned from this thread because it is clear he knows nothing about the U.S. army, and this is after all a question of the U.S. special forces, not a display of ignorance, by saying crap like the royal marines regulars own all. As if he actually was one, pfft (said with spittle)

[royal marine]

okay i can see why js mac acted that way now

[Pappy]

Royal Marine........................jus stop before you become even more ignorant and stupid. You act like the royal marines are the most elite fighting force in the world. You bash rangers and US marines, etc. even though royal marines fall right next to or behind rangers. Do you even know what it takes to be a Ranger?? FIrst you have to go through your basic training which is 9 weeks long, take AIT (advanced infantry training), go through a 3 week airborne school and if you make it through that you go to the RIP which is the Ranger Indoctrination Program. Basically what it is is training to see if ur good enough for the Rangers. If you make it through you are selected into the 75th Ranger Regiment. Then you go through a 62 day Ranger school where you are tested physically and mentally to the extreme. and its said that about half of the students fail to graduate. After graduation the student has now earned the title as a ranger and is assigned to one of the three ranger battalions. And its said that Rangers are always training performing live fire exercises and stuff. ANd for everyone reading this i know im probably not totally correct so correct me if im not. Now don't get me wrong. I'm sure Royal Marines training is very tough and if u wouldn't mind i'd like you to tell me the training you have to go through to become a royal marine (since you know so much about em). But don't jus bash rangers like there some basic light infantry since they are the most elite light infantry force.


You're slightly incorrect. Once the student graduates RIP, they can then call themselves a ranger and they are assigned to one of the 3 ranger battalions. If you are one of the few who pass RIP though, you can't relax. The constant training and PT in Ranger Batts never stops and you can be booted at anytime for not keeping up. And Rangers constantly have the best APFT scores in the Army.

Once your commander thinks you're ready, usually around a year into your time at Batt, you attend the Ranger school to get ranger qualified. The Ranger School is really designed as a leadership course to teach the men how to lead rangers in combat. But if you fail ranger school you might as well quit the rangers.

[natedawg]

You're slightly incorrect. Once the student graduates RIP, they can then call themselves a ranger and they are assigned to one of the 3 ranger battalions. If you are one of the few who pass RIP though, you can't relax. The constant training and PT in Ranger Batts never stops and you can be booted at anytime for not keeping up. And Rangers constantly have the best APFT scores in the Army.

Once your commander thinks you're ready, usually around a year into your time at Batt, you attend the Ranger school to get ranger qualified. The Ranger School is really designed as a leadership course to teach the men how to lead rangers in combat. But if you fail ranger school you might as well quit the rangers.



proved my point even more............thanx :cool:

[royal marine]

i dont know about the rangers ut mymate in 42 commando as a driver in D company he said he observed the ranger's training and said it was a peice of piss comapred to royal marine training

[Pappy]

i dont know about the rangers ut mymate in 42 commando as a driver in D company he said he observed the ranger's training and said it was a peice of piss comapred to royal marine training

Now I know you're just full of ****e.

[natedawg]

i dont know about the rangers ut mymate in 42 commando as a driver in D company he said he observed the ranger's training and said it was a peice of piss comapred to royal marine training


dude.................you are so full of crap its not even funny

[SoldierofAmerica]

i dont know about the rangers ut mymate in 42 commando as a driver in D company he said he observed the ranger's training and said it was a peice of piss comapred to royal marine training

I wonder why it is that these british "Commando's" are so resentful of the Rangers? why do they feel the need to talk so much and try to build themselves up above the rangers through words and insults. "My mate said..." after having witnessed what, a day of ranger training?? I try to stay neutral to you RM but that kind of crap really pisses me off. Hey, Royal Marines are great but you are not even one of them yet Stop talking so much ****, you can state your opinion on here without talking trash. **** man, take some pride in your self and your country and know that you do not have to try to tear others down to feel good about it.

[Jason_Bourne]

I wonder why it is that these british "Commando's" are so resentful of the Rangers? why do they feel the need to talk so much and try to build themselves up above the rangers through words and insults. "My mate said..." after having witnessed what, a day of ranger training?? I try to stay neutral to you RM but that kind of crap really pisses me off. Hey, Royal Marines are great but you are not even one of them yet Stop talking so much ****, you can state your opinion on here without talking trash. **** man, take some pride in your self and your country and know that you do not have to try to tear others down to feel good about it.

i couldnt have said it better myself :)

[Tacky]

I wonder why it is that these british "Commando's" are so resentful of the Rangers? why do they feel the need to talk so much and try to build themselves up above the rangers through words and insults. "My mate said..." after having witnessed what, a day of ranger training?? I try to stay neutral to you RM but that kind of crap really pisses me off. Hey, Royal Marines are great but you are not even one of them yet Stop talking so much ****, you can state your opinion on here without talking trash. **** man, take some pride in your self and your country and know that you do not have to try to tear others down to feel good about it.

Well said, and I think it is important to remember that Wannabe Royal Marine is NOT a RM, and probably never will be given his attitude.

My experiences working with RMs has always been positive and professional, and I hope no one here will see them in a dark light simply due to a wannabe's ignorance, lies and false information.

It is also important to remember anyone saying "I know a guy that's a member of [insert super ninja unit], and he says [insert insult against different super ninja unit]" doesn't actually know a guy.

[sealteam6]

Royal Marine, I'd just like to say this now, the royal marines are tough, and they get the job done efficiently and all that, they are really good there is no doubt of that. Most importantly they have a really good reputation, so we don't need you to come and try to "salvage" that reputation; cause that is what it looks like you are doing. If you had any factual info about them I'd be interested. However what you are doing seems to have a negative effect, which a shame.

[royal marine]

ha this is so funny annoying the yanks and they get upupset so easy
also how am i full of ****e if my mate in the marines told me that

[Pappy]

I said you're full of ****e because I highly doubt you have a friend who's a Royal Marine, and I doubt this friend would have said what you claimed he did. Plain and simple wannabe.

[sealteam6]

ha this is so funny annoying the yanks and they get upupset so easy
also how am i full of ****e if my mate in the marines told me that


aaahhhhhh so that's it, well if that's your intention then you are doing a real good job of it

[yomchi247]

ha this is so funny annoying the yanks and they get upupset so easy
also how am i full of ****e if my mate in the marines told me that


no, what is funny is that you actually believe the **** that comes out of your head

[royal marine]

yup its REAL esy to annoy you lot
but i DO have a mate in the royal marines but he didnt say that :D
anyway ill stop annoying you now but i must admit it is quite easy ;)

[natedawg]

royal marine im hoping that if somehow by a miracle you make it to the royal marines that it will change your ****y ignorant attitude.

[royal marine]

the royal marine dont care about attitude they care about mental abilities and upper body strength including hints of lower body strength
attitude wise they want you to have a good sense of humour and not to be a loner and they hate posh and snobby christian missionary people

[Pappy]

the royal marine dont care about attitude they care about mental abilities and upper body strength including hints of lower body strength
attitude wise they want you to have a good sense of humour and not to be a loner and they hate posh and snobby christian missionary people

haha, thanks for the laugh man. Hints of lower body strength? Any military unit worth it's salt wants a person that is balanced all around in strength. And they need great lower body stamina to run or ruck miles and miles. They want you to have a good sense of humour? Nice one ;) Oh, and all of them hate missionaries? Must have been an interesting poll you conducted.

[royal marine]

:D no comment

[Ranger101]

yea no comment because you got shut down

[royal marine]

just carry on with topic

[Rain of Honor]

quote by royal marine

"the royal marine dont care about attitude"


I fully disagree on that

[Tacky]

quote by royal marine

"the royal marine dont care about attitude"


I fully disagree on that

You would be correct to do so.

[royal marine]

now when did i say that
i said all the royal marines want is you to be not a loner and to have a good sense of humour and good pride for god sake apart from that attitude wise they dont care and if you dont beleive me i can get the link from their official site which says it

[royal marine]

yeah i have a uniform of the marine cadets but thats it

[Jason_Bourne]

Hopefully you stay at cadet because if your ever in command, you bringin your country down to hell

[kurusch]

Just in case anyone is still interested in the original topic, I thought this might make good reading. More to follow.

Special Projects Team - 22 Special Air Service (SAS)

Counter Revolutionary Warfare Squadron (CRW)

The British 22 Special Air Service (SAS) is perhaps the best known special operations group in existence today. Thus, it should come as no surprise that the Special Projects (SP) team of the Special Air Service is perhaps the best known counterterrorist organization in the world. The SP team is normally made up of approximately 80 personnel who are divided into four troops of sixteen men. And while the SP operates similarly to the other squadrons during periods of training, the picture changes significantly when a terrorist incident occurs. In these instances, a segment of the alert troop is broken down into a surveillance/sniper unit, while the remaining soldiers form the assault group. In additon, a Royal Air Force C-130 remains on standby at RAF Lyneham at all times should the SP Team require immediate long-range transportation.

It is important to note that the SP Team is not a permanent entity. Instead, all SAS squadrons are rotated through six months of CT duty, via the Counter Revolutionary Warfare Squadron, during which time it is designated the SP Team. Unlike most special operations groups, the SAS rotates all of its squadrons through CRW duty. Because of this, all SAS operatives are considered counterterrorist-qualified and refresher training is constant. Organizationally, the Special Projects unit is broken down into Red and Blue Teams, each with snipers and EOD trained experts.

Contributing to the skill of the SAS is the Operations Research Unit which develops unique equipment for use by the SP team. It is this unit that developed the highly effective - and now-widely used - stun ("flash-bang") grenade. Other equipment included specialized ladders for train and airplane assaults, night vision goggles, and audio/video equipment.

SAS proficiency in firearms, already very high, is refined for close quarters battle in the "Killing House.� The basic CQB course is six weeks, during which troopers may fire in excess of 2,000 rounds. This skill is further enhanced during a squadron's SP duty. Adding an element of realism to the training is the use of live personnel as hostages during room clearing operations.. SAS counterterrorist and hostage rescue training is further facilitated by the inclusion of high-ranking members of the UK government, many of whom (including the Prime Minister) take part in actual training exercises.

There are a number of organizations worldwide who also use the SAS name, such as the New Zealand SAS and the Australian SAS. There is some debate as to when Britain�s other legendary special operations group, the Special Boat Service (SBS) would be used in the counterterrorist role. This issue is still a matter of speculation, however some experts speculate that the SBS would not be deployed unless a large scale terrorist incident occurred which tapped the SAS beyond their personnel levels. SAS and SBS are known to have deployed together on a bomb scare involving the ocean liner Queen Elizabeth II. In any case, maritime operations are not a skill which the SAS has forgone. Each squadron maintains its own Boat Troop who devote their time specifically to maritime operations. It is possible to envision such an incident occurring, however. Such an instance might be tom all of the following organizations: The United States� Delta Force, the FBI�s Hostage Rescue Team (HRT), France�s GIGN, Germany�s GSG-9, Spain�s GEO, the Royal Dutch Marines, and the SAS groups from Australia and New Zealand, to name a few. In return, these organizations have allowed British SAS members to train along side their own units in a reciprocal swap of information. These exchange programs have had the effect of raising counterterrorist skills worldwide to higher and higher levels. For as good as the SAS is, they have always been the first to state that they still have skills they can improve on and as a result are always on the lookout for a better way to do things. It has also been documented that at least one or two SAS personnel have been present at every major counterterrorist operation involving a friendly country since the unit�s establishment of the CRW. Their presence has oftentimes been in an official advisory role, but ex-SAS members have revealed that the group has often sent men to the scene of an incident, just to learn as much as they can about the success or failure of an operation. This information is, in turn, brought back to Hereford where it is disseminated and applied accordingly.

[Tacky]

One should really give credit to the sites and authors when they present information directly from a resource. This not only helps insure the validity of the comment, but also follows the golden rule of giving credit where credit is due.

The above information is from SpecialOperations.com and was written by Tom Hunter, the former owner of the site.

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/United_Kingdom/SAS/CRW.htm

[Ranger101]

this is off topic but this site is awesome for military photos from Iraq, Afghanistan, and other conflicts. http://militaryphotos.net/

[kurusch]

'Just in case anyone is still interested in the original topic'..............................

Obviously not. One poster more concerned about scourcing quotes and the rest off on another tangent.

[Texas]

....not to mention that I don't think I have seen you provide anything on this forum that had anything to do with anything applicable.
Royal Marine, I hope your joking about leaving. Leave for a good reason, not because of this "person"
Keep in mind "Big Boy", now that Royal Marine has indicated that he is 14 you will be breaking the law if you continue pestering him with your lude, ignorent, unintelligent talk and banter.
I don't think its because of that .He got carried away this morning talking to some one . He came off second best . I've emailed him and told him to think more before engaging trap .He'll be back ....

[royal marine]

HAHEY im back lol
i know ive been leaving and coming back a lot but this is just getting hilarious with a homo here
thanks for the email texas
big boy you better not stalk me (i live right next to him :( )

[El Douche]

I just want you guys to know, this thread has made it to a site that is frequented by career military special operations professionals. It's posted in the humor section because it's making everyone laugh so much.

Here's an idea, stop playing SOCOM 3 or log off the internet and go do some PT.

[El Douche]

nevermind, mistaken ID

[Guy]

Stop playing around on the internet and go outside and PLAY!

Take care.

[Defiler]

I guess I'm not the only one who decided to stop by. PT is a good idea though!

[royal marine]

he could be playing

its what i do,g o out with my mates then at night reply to the thread

[SniperAlpha1]

RM what is a a marine cadet is it like ROTC, because if it is, to say you know what is going on because you wear your cute little uniform, grow up. lose the attitude, get some respect, because from the looks of things, you are lacking, and best stop spending so much time on here and start lifting.

[Pappy]

RM what is a a marine cadet is it like ROTC, because if it is, to say you know what is going on because you wear your cute little uniform, grow up. lose the attitude, get some respect, because from the looks of things, you are lacking, and best stop spending so much time on here and start lifting.

It's not like ROTC... It's like JROTC :D

[royal marine]

hmmm
1 thing , you probably say that cos you have no friends and no one ever wants to go out with you when you ring them
how about you come over here and look at my daily routine
as i said i post at night right before bed and right after i get back from going out with mates

its good exercise getting chased by farmers because youre wrecking theyre crops lol

[royal marine]

anyways whats with your message at the bottom

''i am tough, i kill people with my hands, my honour shall deliver great blows to the smallest and weakest of enemies, i am gracious of my skills i am now going to chop someones neck goodbye''

[SniperAlpha1]

hey listen twerp, i have studied one of the most ancient arts for ten years. i have DISCIPLINED my body and my mind to achieve something you never could. so if your idea of fun is tresspassing get a new hobby because news flash: its against the law. im a highschool athlete of course i have friends but our idea of fun isn't the lame *** type as yours. i came here for history projects and to get info, not to browse because i have false hopes of rechieving the military. i wish you the best of luck, but with maverick attitude, you should be grateful if the brownies let you in.

[royal marine]

nah got rejected for brownies,dont know why!:confused:

hey listen twerp:
what an amazing insult, i might go off and hang myself now

i have studied one of the most aincient arts for 10 years:
what? watercolour painting?

i have achieved my body and my mind to acieve something you may never do:
no watercolour paintings improve your painting skills.

if youre hobby is tresspassing then NEWSFLASH its against the law:
you try doing something else when youre as bored as me and my mates

but me and my mates idea of fun is not a lame *** type like what you do:
so what do you do go home and play PS2 on playboy mansion because its the closest you'll get to seeing nudity with your nerd friends

have fun

[engineer]

contrary to what was said, the rangers do alot of different missions. they do think about what they do.It's called operations planning:)

[Squaddie(uk)]

I have a question. The US Army has two hevely armed airborn devisions (82nd,101st). Yet the rangers,green berets and the seals can be airborn trained. Why do the need to have two devisions that specilise in somthin so many others can do? I mean they only really need one airborn devision really and if they ever need more which is doubtful in modern warfare they can call on the ranger's to boost their numbers. All the money put behind one of those devisons can be spent on somthin more useful can'nt it?:confused:

Just a thought.;)

[Zeus185]

I have a question. The US Army has two hevely armed airborn devisions (82nd,101st). Yet the rangers,green berets and the seals can be airborn trained. Why do the need to have two devisions that specilise in somthin so many others can do? I mean they only really need one airborn devision really and if they ever need more which is doubtful in modern warfare they can call on the ranger's to boost their numbers. All the money put behind one of those devisons can be spent on somthin more useful can'nt it?:confused:

Just a thought.




its america mate everythings done bigger over there :D

[Tacky]

I have a question. The US Army has two hevely armed airborn devisions (82nd,101st). Yet the rangers,green berets and the seals can be airborn trained. Why do the need to have two devisions that specilise in somthin so many others can do? I mean they only really need one airborn devision really and if they ever need more which is doubtful in modern warfare they can call on the ranger's to boost their numbers. All the money put behind one of those devisons can be spent on somthin more useful can'nt it?:confused:

Just a thought.;)

The US Army only has one active Airborne Division, and the 101st isn't one of them. The 101st hasn't been airborne since the 70s, they only keep the name for posterity. The 101st is Air Assault now.

The US Army also does not employ SEALs, these are Navy.

Rangers and Special Forces are Special Operations, and do not conduct the same missions as the 82nd Abn Div. would. The 82nd is conventional Airborne infantry.. the Rangers are Special Operations infantry, and Special Forces is completely unique to both.

Airborne qualification is only one of the many requirements needed in SOF. It is a way to get to work. Why would you send in an entire division of conventional infantry when a battalion of Rangers could do the job?

The 82nd has a conventional tasking, where as the 75th and SF have a more unconventional tasking. You cannot put them into the same bucket.

It really doesn't hurt us to have one standing conventional Abn division, and in fact, it would be foolish not to. No one knows what the future holds. You cannot have a strong military built on nothing but speciality special operations groups. The conventional guys are just as important.

[Zeus185]

The US Army only has one active Airborne Division, and the 101st isn't one of them. The 101st hasn't been airborne since the 70s, they only keep the name for posterity. The 101st is Air Assault now.

The US Army also does not employ SEALs, these are Navy.

Rangers and Special Forces are Special Operations, and do not conduct the same missions as the 82nd Abn Div. would. The 82nd is conventional Airborne infantry.. the Rangers are Special Operations infantry, and Special Forces is completely unique to both.

Airborne qualification is only one of the many requirements needed in SOF. It is a way to get to work. Why would you send in an entire division of conventional infantry when a battalion of Rangers could do the job?

The 82nd has a conventional tasking, where as the 75th and SF have a more unconventional tasking. You cannot put them into the same bucket.

It really doesn't hurt us to have one standing conventional Abn division, and in fact, it would be foolish not to. No one knows what the future holds. You cannot have a strong military built on nothing but speciality special operations groups. The conventional guys are just as important.



what unit are you in tacky.........just wondering