W.O. School

[shorty32]

How old can I be to try for warrant officer school and are there waivers if I am to old also how long do I have to be in to apply for it. I think this is the route I want to go if I stay in for a good priod of time.do you have to be a certain rank or have certain requirements to do this

[scconwill]

How old can I be to try for warrant officer school and are there waivers if I am to old also how long do I have to be in to apply for it. I think this is the route I want to go if I stay in for a good priod of time.do you have to be a certain rank or have certain requirements to do this
I have worked with a bunch of warrant officers It's a real high speed low drag AO. Here is the best information I can give you. First off go here http://www.goarmy.com/about/warrant_officer.jsp and read about it and see if you really want to be a warrant officer. Second go to your local Army Recruiter. You half to score pretty high on most of the test so start studying. If you have any questions just hit me back.

[Armygirl4Ever]

http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/WOoverview.html#l1

That website gives you all the exact information about how to become a warrant officer, it tells you what fields they need them in and all the prerequisites and waivers. Some things are waiverable and some are not.

Good luck!

[Fireball]

I have worked with a bunch of warrant officers It's a real high speed low drag AO. Here is the best information I can give you. First off go here http://www.goarmy.com/about/warrant_officer.jsp and read about it and see if you really want to be a warrant officer. Second go to your local Army Recruiter. You half to score pretty high on most of the test so start studying. If you have any questions just hit me back.

LOL sorry I just have to laugh... given your experience level in the Army I am sure you you've seen a lot of real "high speed low drag AO" stuff... :rolleyes:

[scconwill]

LOL sorry I just have to laugh... given your experience level in the Army I am sure you you've seen a lot of real "high speed low drag AO" stuff... :rolleyes: Lets see here I work with 3 CW4's, My uncle is a CW5, My father is a Retired paratrooper (MAJ), 2 of my AI's at UNA were former Ranger Black Hats, I'm currently on a Ranger Challenge team, I come form 4 generations of Infantry men, and I was looking into applying for WO school before I got the ROTC scholarship. So pardon me, but I have grown up in high speed low drag AO's my entire life. I might only be 18 but I have grown up in a military life style. Now I'm just trying to help this man out by passing down my prior knowledge of this subject. So please lets stay on the current subject and if you want to argue with me pleas do it over a private msg. :)

[Fireball]

Lets see here I work with 3 CW4's, My uncle is a CW5, My father is a Retired paratrooper (MAJ), 2 of my AI's at UNA were former Ranger Black Hats, I'm currently on a Ranger Challenge team, I come form 4 generations of Infantry men, and I was looking into applying for WO school before I got the ROTC scholarship. So pardon me, but I have grown up in high speed low drag AO's my entire life. I might only be 18 but I have grown up in a military life style. Now I'm just trying to help this man out by passing down my prior knowledge of this subject. So please lets stay on the current subject and if you want to argue with me pleas do it over a private msg. :)

I knew you'd write back... ;) Private message?? Won't happen... I would never want to give you the wrong impression...:rolleyes: I wasn't arguing I just told you I thought it was funny. What I do think is interesting is that given your extreme military background you lack the discipline to control your emotions in confrontational situations. :rolleyes:

Just remember - wear your own rank... :cool: hehe

[scconwill]

I knew you'd write back... ;) Private message?? Won't happen... I would never want to give you the wrong impression...:rolleyes: I wasn't arguing I just told you I thought it was funny. What I do think is interesting is that given your extreme military background you lack the discipline to control your emotions in confrontational situations. :rolleyes:

Just remember - wear your own rank... :cool: hehe
I didn't get emotional I just set you straight. I'm going to give you some helpful advice here. One speak of what you know and not of what you don't, and two Stay in your lane. Ie if you don't have anything to say about the subject at hand don't say anything at all. This man dose not want to here our bickering in this thread that was created for him seeking information. Oh btw my rank is equivalent to a E-5.

[Fireball]

I didn't get emotional I just set you straight. I'm going to give you some helpful advice here. One speak of what you know and not of what you don't, and two Stay in your lane. Ie if you don't have anything to say about the subject at hand don't say anything at all. This man dose not want to here our bickering in this thread that was created for him seeking information. Oh btw my rank is equivalent to a E-5.

Well, like most guys... I never mind being a little crooked. It doesn't hinder my abilities to shoot straight when needed. Helpful advice huh? That would appear to be relative... :rolleyes:

As for me, I will stay in my lane & I am always happy to be... but the problem is you are driving too slow in it. :p LOL

My rank will always be higher than yours will ever be... I am a mother. In your mind you may be that equivalent, but the Army doesn't recognize you as a Soldier... yet... so I guess we'll both be staying in our lane. :cool:

[jenny]

Wow, Fireball, I am thinking your undies may be too high up your butt.

Sorry, I just found this thread very offensive {by you}, unless I have exhaustion hitting me hard, I think your remarks were a tad bit over the top, and quite frankly, I didn't realize PM'ing someone = wrong impression.

And how will your rank be higher than scconwill's related to being a mother?

Lighten up Fireball, and yank the panties out sweetie. Sheesh!!

[scconwill]

Well, like most guys... I never mind being a little crooked. It doesn't hinder my abilities to shoot straight when needed. Helpful advice huh? That would appear to be relative... :rolleyes:

As for me, I will stay in my lane & I am always happy to be... but the problem is you are driving too slow in it. :p LOL

My rank will always be higher than yours will ever be... I am a mother. In your mind you may be that equivalent, but the Army doesn't recognize you as a Soldier... yet... so I guess we'll both be staying in our lane. :cool:

When I accepted the Army ROTC scholarship I had to sign a contract with the U.S. Army. I signed a contract for 10 years (4 of witch I will serve while in college and the other 6 in the Active Army, National Guard, or Reserves). I received scholarship money, book money, living expenses, and a monthly payment that is equivalent to that of a E-5 in the reserves. I PT with my battalion every day, I participate in field training exercises, plus my duties with in the battalion. All of this coped with the fact that I am taking 15 hours a week of class and working 2 part-time jobs. I am a investment of the Army's and in there eyes I am just as much of a soldier as the rest of the Army if not better because the have hand selected me to be a leader. I hold responsibilities greater or equal to that of soldiers in the field now. I am not saying I am above anybody or below anybody, but I am a vital member of a team. I take in great offense when you say stuff like that. You have just spit in the face of every cadet in the United States Army Cadet Corps. I apologize if I have offended you in any way. If you have anything else bad to say about me or the Corps of Cadets or me in general I strongly urge you to keep it to your self.

[Fireball]

Wow, Fireball, I am thinking your undies may be too high up your butt.

Sorry, I just found this thread very offensive {by you}, unless I have exhaustion hitting me hard, I think your remarks were a tad bit over the top, and quite frankly, I didn't realize PM'ing someone = wrong impression.

And how will your rank be higher than scconwill's related to being a mother?

Lighten up Fireball, and yank the panties out sweetie. Sheesh!!

That's fine - we're all entitled to our own opinions and as you can see I have mine. :) Over the top is me. So get used to it. hehe I am not going to explain to you where my sarcasm is and where it isn't.

Just so you know... most guys on here know I don't wear panties... ROFL... :D

As for the rank... figure it out - you're very good at drawing conclusions. ;)

[jenny]

scconwill, you seriously don't need to explain yourself to anyone guy.

You are a human being who reached out to another human being looking for an answer to a question.

I had no rights stepping into this thread, because quite frankly, I have not a clue what was being discussed, but I have very low tolerance for rudeness/ignorance.

Respect for {life} goes a long way where I am from, and whether you are a bum on the street corner, or a 5 star general you didn't do anything to provoke the response from a fellow member of this forum that was given to you.

Take good care and continue your studies...you will obviously go far in your life.

[jenny]

Yes, Fireball, I see you have many opinions, but I wonder if you read what you write and see how you portray yourself, because it's truly not very becoming, but as you said, we all have opinions {thank goodness!}. On that note, I'm not sure where my conclusions fit with your rank, but quite frankly, I am going to go find that ignore button that I've read about in a number of threads on this forum, because I am not interested in wasting my time reading your sarcasm, rudeness, and just plain ignorance. So, no, I don't need to get used to your over the top stupidity to innocent people not causing drama etc.

Best wishes to you.

[Fireball]

When I accepted the Army ROTC scholarship I had to sign a contract with the U.S. Army. I signed a contract for 10 years (4 of witch I will serve while in college and the other 6 in the Active Army, National Guard, or Reserves). I received scholarship money, book money, living expenses, and a monthly payment that is equivalent to that of a E-5 in the reserves. I PT with my battalion every day, I participate in field training exercises, plus my duties with in the battalion. All of this coped with the fact that I am taking 15 hours a week of class and working 2 part-time jobs. I am a investment of the Army's and in there eyes I am just as much of a soldier as the rest of the Army if not better because the have hand selected me to be a leader. I hold responsibilities greater or equal to that of soldiers in the field now. I am not saying I am above anybody or below anybody, but I am a vital member of a team. I take in great offense when you say stuff like that. You have just spit in the face of every cadet in the United States Army Cadet Corps. I apologize if I have offended you in any way. If you have anything else bad to say about me or the Corps of Cadets or me in general I strongly urge you to keep it to your self.

Whereas I appreciate all members of Armed Forces and the capacities that they serve...my point is with this thread - is that I do not agree with how you promote your 18 years old perspective as being equal or equivalent to those outside of ROTC. It was almost as if you are saying that because you have signed for 10 years you have seeped in that experience level already.

You have a long way to go from those leadership abilities you speak so highly of....

I guess this is why I hear over and over from varying ranks (Officer, Enlisted, as well as retired) "a typical ROTC (aka ROTZI) attitude". It is not looked highly upon from those leaders we have associated with - and is only promoted and favored by ROTC cadets/ROTC leadership.

I would love to hear feedback from others I find it really interesting that most of you haven't responded to scconwill or I.... haha~ shocking for how vocal most of us are...

As for offending you - just remember... you protect my right to say things that may be offensive. ;) You volunteered to die for people like me. :rolleyes:

[Fireball]

Yes, Fireball, I see you have many opinions, but I wonder if you read what you write and see how you portray yourself, because it's truly not very becoming, but as you said, we all have opinions {thank goodness!}. On that note, I'm not sure where my conclusions fit with your rank, but quite frankly, I am going to go find that ignore button that I've read about in a number of threads on this forum, because I am not interested in wasting my time reading your sarcasm, rudeness, and just plain ignorance. So, no, I don't need to get used to your over the top stupidity to innocent people not causing drama etc.

Best wishes to you.

I am glad you let that all out... would hate for you to have held those feelings in any longer.


Best wishes to you as well.

[scconwill]

Whereas I appreciate all members of Armed Forces and the capacities that they serve...my point is with this thread - is that I do not agree with how you promote your 18 years old perspective as being equal or equivalent to those outside of ROTC. It was almost as if you are saying that because you have signed for 10 years you have seeped in that experience level already.

You have a long way to go from those leadership abilities you speak so highly of....

I guess this is why I hear over and over from varying ranks (Officer, Enlisted, as well as retired) "a typical ROTC (aka ROTZI) attitude". It is not looked highly upon from those leaders we have associated with - and is only promoted and favored by ROTC cadets/ROTC leadership.

I would love to hear feedback from others I find it really interesting that most of you haven't responded to scconwill or I.... haha~ shocking for how vocal most of us are...

As for offending you - just remember... you protect my right to say things that may be offensive. ;) You volunteered to die for people like me. :rolleyes:

I want you to keep all of this in the back of your mind next time you are passing judgment on any cadet.

1. 98% of officers were once cadets, and for them to say they don't look highly upon the can do attitude of cadets is extremely hipocritical.

2. I will be a officer in 3 years. That means the Army/Entire Government trust ME to lead men/women into combat situations where they could loose there life. Also just remember your husband is led into combat by a former cadet who had the "ROTZI attitude".

You know I have gotten to a point in my life where I don't really care about people calling me a ROTZI NAZI. I live through 4 years of high school being call that. I have had my uniform, car, office, and personal items vandalized just for the simple fact that I was a ROTC cadet. I have been hackled while raising the American flag, while drilling my cadets in 22-5, while preforming color guard/honor guards, but not once has any of that broke my discipline or motivation. Its that "can do" ROTC attitude, my pride, and my respect for the American flag that has kept me driving on while being hackled and disrespected by all. I might have been more offended in my earlier years but it has no effect on me now, because I know I have the Army's Higher ups respect and gratitude for the living hell I had to go through. I am only one of few 18 year old's who have stepped up and decided to defend a nation full of people who do not care or respect for us. You are just one of those people that I swear in my creed every day to protect against the evils of society. You are one of those people that I have come to realize there is no point in talking to because everything you say always comes back negative to me. Don't try and respond to this because I do not care to here what you think.

I am going to post a copy of our creed for you to read and think about. It has a underling meaning that most people do get.

The Cadet Creed was adopted in June 1988 to imbue Army Cadets with the values that are critical to success as cadets, and later as Army officers. The Creed is displayed at Headquarters, Cadet Command and at all region and cadet battalion headquarters. The Creed is brief but contains a profound message:

I am an Army Cadet. Soon I will take an oath and become an Army Officer committed to DEFENDING the values, which make this Nation great. HONOR is my touchstone. I understand MISSION first and PEOPLE always.

I am the PAST: the spirit of those WARRIORS who have made the final sacrifice.

I am the PRESENT: the scholar and apprentice soldier enhancing my skills in the science of warfare and the art of leadership.

But above all, I am the FUTURE: the future WARRIOR LEADER of the United States Army. May God give me the compassion and judgment to lead and the gallantry in battle to WIN.

What it all means

The Cadet Creed, in a few carefully selected words, explains what is expected of an Army cadet. The Cadet Creed is a key element in the traditions of the Reserve Officers' Training Corps. The following explanation, when appropriate, accompanies the reading of the Cadet Creed.

"DEFENDING the values which make the Nation great."

Cadets, when commissioned, take an oath to defend, with their lives when necessary, the Constitution of the United States of America. This document, created more than two centuries ago after our nation's valiant struggle for independence, is the keystone of our way of life. Our nation derives its strength from the consent of the governed. The basic tenets of our Constitution are that all people have certain natural inalienable rights, are born equal, and must be treated equal before the law. These are powerful words that have meaning only as long as we are willing to defend our value system as embodied in the Constitution. This, each Army cadet is honor-bound to do, both as a cadet and later as a commissioned officer.

[scconwill]

scconwill, you seriously don't need to explain yourself to anyone guy.

You are a human being who reached out to another human being looking for an answer to a question.

I had no rights stepping into this thread, because quite frankly, I have not a clue what was being discussed, but I have very low tolerance for rudeness/ignorance.

Respect for {life} goes a long way where I am from, and whether you are a bum on the street corner, or a 5 star general you didn't do anything to provoke the response from a fellow member of this forum that was given to you.

Take good care and continue your studies...you will obviously go far in your life.

Thank you because you are one of the only people that has shown me any form of respect.

[Fireball]

>>I live through 4 years of high school being call that. I have had my uniform, car, office, and personal items vandalized just for the simple fact that I was a ROTC cadet.<<

You aren't getting it... it has nothing to do with you being an ROTC cadet... it ALL has to do with the attitude and arrogance that you portray because of your ROTC experiences. There is a way to be a leader without shouting it. True leaders don't have to declare their leadership.

As for my husband being led into combat... he is actually being led by guys from West Point. My only hope is that no matter WHAT training background my husband's leaders come from - they will portray less arrogance and don't demand respect based solely on how they were trained. So far, we have been extremely blessed that all his leadership has been AMAZING. I know A LOT of that has to do with how they work with their NCOs and the respect they have for their men - regardless of if they were "hand picked" or a good ole country boy with no military background who devotes all his energy to the work load given.

You can recite all the statistics you want to me and the paste the Creed... but until your arrogance changes it means nothing to me. I do not see you in that Creed like you see yourself. I see a cadet with humility citing this - something I have yet to experience with you on this board like I have with others. Maybe that will change over time as you post.

[Fireball]

Thank you because you are one of the only people that has shown me any form of respect.

Glad you two newbies are bonding so well. ;)

[scconwill]

>>I live through 4 years of high school being call that. I have had my uniform, car, office, and personal items vandalized just for the simple fact that I was a ROTC cadet.<<

You aren't getting it... it has nothing to do with you being an ROTC cadet... it ALL has to do with the attitude and arrogance that you portray because of your ROTC experiences. There is a way to be a leader without shouting it. True leaders don't have to declare their leadership.

As for my husband being led into combat... he is actually being led by guys from West Point. My only hope is that no matter WHAT training background my husband's leaders come from - they will portray less arrogance and don't demand respect based solely on how they were trained. So far, we have been extremely blessed that all his leadership has been AMAZING. I know A LOT of that has to do with how they work with their NCOs and the respect they have for their men - regardless of if they were "hand picked" or a good ole country boy with no military background who devotes all his energy to the work load given.

You can recite all the statistics you want to me and the paste the Creed... but until your arrogance changes it means nothing to me. I do not see you in that Creed like you see yourself. I see a cadet with humility citing this - something I have yet to experience with you on this board like I have with others. Maybe that will change over time as you post.

You know your one of those people that are always looking for a argument to stick your unwanted nose into. The simple fact is I have done nothing to provoke your initial response. Maybe the reason you are picking a fight with me is because you know I have a short temper and you know I will respond to it. This is one of the biggest things I half to work on in my journey to becoming a officer. We both are different in many ways and the same, but the major difference is I know when to stop. We both have egg on our face and I'm going to go wash mine off. Lets also remember here I showed no disrespect or rudness to you while you were in here. You are the one who is being disrespectful and rude to me. You started all of this so I'm going to end this. So I hope you have a wonderful day, and stay frosty.:D

[Marine4Life]

Man, it's getting HOT in here! How about everyone head over to the bar. Drinks on me!

[scconwill]

Man, it's getting HOT in here! How about everyone head over to the bar. Drinks on me!
Little problem my friend I'm 18 hahaha not saying I don't know were to get it from but still hahaha:D

[Fireball]

You know your one of those people that are always looking for a argument to stick your unwanted nose into. The simple fact is I have done nothing to provoke your initial response. Maybe the reason you are picking a fight with me is because you know I have a short temper and you know I will respond to it. This is one of the biggest things I half to work on in my journey to becoming a officer. We both are different in many ways and the same, but the major difference is I know when to stop. We both have egg on our face and I'm going to go wash mine off. Lets also remember here I showed no disrespect or rudness to you while you were in here. You are the one who is being disrespectful and rude to me. You started all of this so I'm going to end this. So I hope you have a wonderful day, and stay frosty.:D

ROFL - If you knew when to stop you wouldn't have replied... Egg... that's hysterical. You didn't show disrespect?? ;) Men... gotta love it.

[Marine4Life]

Little problem my friend I'm 18 hahaha not saying I don't know were to get it from but still hahaha:D

Do you think that stoppe dme when I was a young Marine? HELL NO! There were licquor stores that sold to Marines no matter what their age was. If you were a Marine, you were in. I still remember my first liberty at infantry school.....drunk isn't the word to describe it. Me and 2 of my Marine brothers were so drunk, we made it to formation as it was ending. We stood firewatch 2 hours a night each for 2 weeks. And the hours could not be consecutive either. it didn't matter, we snuck some of the vodka we had back to the squad bay and had a drink or 2 on firewatch. Good stuff.

[jenny]

Scconwill: You're very welcome. I am unable to read the further bantering/ignorance/stupidity, because thankfully this forum has the wonderful bonus of having an ignore button, but from reading the quote in your last post, some things never change, as she obviously hasn't pulled the panties out of her butt yet. I wouldn't even waste your time responding any further guy. Hold your head high, and be the best person that you can be, don't lower yourself to get pulled into this style of drama, especially when you look at where it is coming from. I would say more, but, well you know, some things are just better left for the imagination...Be well!!

Marine4Life: You are darned right, it is getting HOT in here!! I've been in an air conditioned office all day, and now I am at my part time job and this humidity is about killing us. I'll meet you over to the bar.

:)

[Fireball]

Scconwill: You're very welcome. I am unable to read the further bantering/ignorance/stupidity, because thankfully this forum has the wonderful bonus of having an ignore button, but from reading the quote in your last post, some things never change, as she obviously hasn't pulled the panties out of her butt yet. I wouldn't even waste your time responding any further guy. Hold your head high, and be the best person that you can be, don't lower yourself to get pulled into this style of drama, especially when you look at where it is coming from. I would say more, but, well you know, some things are just better left for the imagination...Be well!!

Marine4Life: You are darned right, it is getting HOT in here!! I've been in an air conditioned office all day, and now I am at my part time job and this humidity is about killing us. I'll meet you over to the bar.

:)

ROFL... on second thought - I would love to wear the "Go Jenny Go" Shirt too.... ROFLBMO If she should figure one thing out by now - I DON'T WEAR panties... :eek: that's right...

[scconwill]

.................Well back on topic now...........Personally if it were not for this ROTC scholarship I would have put in to become a Warrant Officer..........You have got to look at all the positives about it................You are a specialist in your field and generally nobody ****s with you about what you are doing for the simple fact that you are a WO...................You get the same amount of pay and respect as a officer yet the great since of comrodory of a NCO.............The draw backs are you will never be given a command.........advancement is extremely slow........You work your *** off...........and not as many career paths.........I guess it just comes down to personal preference...............I'll leave you with this

One of the 4 worst things to hear in the Army...........................................A CW5 saying hey watch this **** its going to be cool:eek:

[Fireball]

.................Well back on topic now...........Personally if it were not for this ROTC scholarship I would have put in to become a Warrant Officer..........You have got to look at all the positives about it................You are a specialist in your field and generally nobody ****s with you about what you are doing for the simple fact that you are a WO...................You get the same amount of pay and respect as a officer yet the great since of comrodory of a NCO.............The draw backs are you will never be given a command.........advancement is extremely slow........You work your *** off...........and not as many career paths.........I guess it just comes down to personal preference...............I'll leave you with this

One of the 4 worst things to hear in the Army...........................................A CW5 saying hey watch this **** its going to be cool:eek:

:) Yep... lots of perks to WO. That's why we are leaning that direction. By that time though, J will have enough credits to have options to go over to the "dark side" or be chosen for the WO program. All of my family are Officers - Lut. Col, etc... so they are hoping for the "dark side". :) We're thinking about changing the score.

[jrj1000]

Me and Scconwill have spoke about this is PMs...maybe showing a lack of respect in his posts isnt his intention....nevertheless..some of his post can come across as arogant...without trying to sound patronizing...it might be due to age..but as i have said...there are attitude changers in life...and i have seen it..life has a funny way of bitting you on the arse...and it will teach you respect...if you dont show any..if people think rank automaticly means you will get respect...they are very much mistaken....not respect in the truest sense of the word. anyway..good leaders need self-confidence...no question...but theres a fine line between that...and being up your own arse

Anyway....lets take marines advice and head over to the bar.....Fireballs expecting...and im off the drink...so soft drinks for us.....Marine and Jenny...whatever you want....and although scconwill is only 18....British law applies today :cool:

[scconwill]

Me and Scconwill have spoke about this is PMs...maybe showing a lack of respect in his posts isnt his intention....nevertheless..some of his post can come across as arogant...without trying to sound patronizing...it might be due to age..but as i have said...there are attitude changers in life...and i have seen it..life has a funny way of bitting you on the arse...and it will teach you respect...if you dont show any..if people think rank automaticly means you will get respect...they are very much mistaken....not respect in the truest sense of the word. anyway..good leaders need self-confidence...no question...but theres a fine line between that...and being up your own arse

Anyway....lets take marines advice and head over to the bar.....Fireballs expecting...and im off the drink...so soft drinks for us.....Marine and Jenny...whatever you want....and although scconwill is only 18....British law applies today :cool:
I haven't been to the UK but I have been to Dublin Ireland and Guinness on tap is on of the greatest things that has crossed my lips.

[Marine4Life]

Scconwill: You're very welcome. I am unable to read the further bantering/ignorance/stupidity, because thankfully this forum has the wonderful bonus of having an ignore button, but from reading the quote in your last post, some things never change, as she obviously hasn't pulled the panties out of her butt yet. I wouldn't even waste your time responding any further guy. Hold your head high, and be the best person that you can be, don't lower yourself to get pulled into this style of drama, especially when you look at where it is coming from. I would say more, but, well you know, some things are just better left for the imagination...Be well!!

Marine4Life: You are darned right, it is getting HOT in here!! I've been in an air conditioned office all day, and now I am at my part time job and this humidity is about killing us. I'll meet you over to the bar.

:)

OOH RAH. I'm on the way!

[Marine4Life]

.................Well back on topic now...........Personally if it were not for this ROTC scholarship I would have put in to become a Warrant Officer..........You have got to look at all the positives about it................You are a specialist in your field and generally nobody ****s with you about what you are doing for the simple fact that you are a WO...................You get the same amount of pay and respect as a officer yet the great since of comrodory of a NCO.............The draw backs are you will never be given a command.........advancement is extremely slow........You work your *** off...........and not as many career paths.........I guess it just comes down to personal preference...............I'll leave you with this

One of the 4 worst things to hear in the Army...........................................A CW5 saying hey watch this **** its going to be cool:eek:

From what I've read on goarmy.com and heard on the video posted there, WO also have the ability to be able to stay in service longer than O series officers. I guess it's because they are specialists in a particular field whereas O series officers aren't. For example, a WO that flies Blackhawks will always fly the Blackhawks. An O series officer that flies the Blackhawk will only fly it for a certain amount of time. He'll be given duties that may not even pertain to flying at some point in his career. Plus if O series officers dont advance by a certain time, they're forced to retire. Some thing to look at when deciding which way to go. In the Marine Corps, you have to serve as an enlisted Marine before becoming a WO. The Army is different.

[Marine4Life]

:) Yep... lots of perks to WO. That's why we are leaning that direction. By that time though, J will have enough credits to have options to go over to the "dark side" or be chosen for the WO program. All of my family are Officers - Lut. Col, etc... so they are hoping for the "dark side". :) We're thinking about changing the score.

LOL. Being an officer means joining the dark side. That's funny. Imaine Darth Vader in cammies. He wouldn't need a helmet would he.:D:D I'm trying to join the dark side of the Marine Corps myself. HOWEVER, I've have seen the enlisted side too so I'm good.

[scconwill]

LOL. Being an officer means joining the dark side. That's funny. Imaine Darth Vader in cammies. He wouldn't need a helmet would he.:D:D I'm trying to join the dark side of the Marine Corps myself. HOWEVER, I've have seen the enlisted side too so I'm good.

Hahaha I want the hole helmet and suite hahahaha, But yea I grew up with over half my family as enlisted and they always tell me all the NCO who say they would rater be dead than a officer are just pissed off because they didn't go the officer route.

I leave you with this just click on the link and you will laugh.....https://secure.techxpress.net/mytshirtdesigns.com/images/uploads/2007073022142824528_lrg.jpg

[Marine4Life]

Hahaha I want the hole helmet and suite hahahaha, But yea I grew up with over half my family as enlisted and they always tell me all the NCO who say they would rater be dead than a officer are just pissed off because they didn't go the officer route.

I leave you with this just click on the link and you will laugh.....https://secure.techxpress.net/mytshirtdesigns.com/images/uploads/2007073022142824528_lrg.jpg

good one. :D

[scconwill]

good one. :D
we do got cookies hahaha

[MSG Glenn]

2 of my AI's at UNA were former Ranger Black HatsYou've got your phraseology mixed up a bit, Samuel. Rangers wear Tan Berets & "Black Hats" are instructors in Airborne School.

There was a time I think about 10 or so years ago when Rangers of the 75th Regt. wore Black Berets while nobody but SF & Airborne wore berets. There was also a short time, before I was in the Army, where Armor wore Black Berets. Now of course everyone else wears the black beret.

I was proud of my Maroon Beret but now some of the meaning of the whole beret system has been watered down.

[scconwill]

You've got your phraseology mixed up a bit, Samuel. Rangers wear Tan Berets & "Black Hats" are instructors in Airborne School.

There was a time I think about 10 or so years ago when Rangers of the 75th Regt. wore Black Berets while nobody but SF & Airborne wore berets. There was also a short time, before I was in the Army, where Armor wore Black Berets. Now of course everyone else wears the black beret.

I was proud of my Maroon Beret but now some of the meaning of the whole beret system has been watered down.
You have got to remember these NCO's are in their Mid 60's

[Marine4Life]

You've got your phraseology mixed up a bit, Samuel. Rangers wear Tan Berets & "Black Hats" are instructors in Airborne School.

There was a time I think about 10 or so years ago when Rangers of the 75th Regt. wore Black Berets while nobody but SF & Airborne wore berets. There was also a short time, before I was in the Army, where Armor wore Black Berets. Now of course everyone else wears the black beret.

I was proud of my Maroon Beret but now some of the meaning of the whole beret system has been watered down.

I thought that was the case before. I didn't remember everyone in the Army wearing berets. Honestly I thought only the Green Berets actually wore them. Obviously I was wrong.

[Marine4Life]

we do got cookies hahaha

lol. What kind are they then?

[jrj1000]

I haven't been to the UK but I have been to Dublin Ireland and Guinness on tap is on of the greatest things that has crossed my lips.

yeah your right there...i have had Guinness in maybe six countries....but it tastes the greatest in Ireland....nobody does it better....

[Marine4Life]

yeah your right there...i have had Guinness in maybe six countries....but it tastes the greatest in Ireland....nobody does it better....

Never had it.

[scconwill]

I thought that was the case before. I didn't remember everyone in the Army wearing berets. Honestly I thought only the Green Berets actually wore them. Obviously I was wrong.
Personally I am not a big fan of the berets. I wish they would go back to only issuing them to special units

[scconwill]

lol. What kind are they then?
Well we have every type imaginable hahaha

[scconwill]

yeah your right there...i have had Guinness in maybe six countries....but it tastes the greatest in Ireland....nobody does it better....
Well its just because of the curse

[Marine4Life]

Personally I am not a big fan of the berets. I wish they would go back to only issuing them to special units

Do you know why they changed that in the first place?

[scconwill]

Do you know why they changed that in the first place?
I have no earthly Idea but If I had to say something it would think the reason would be along the lines of uniformity.................I have a one but I hardly ever where it instead I where my patrol cap. They are useless as tits on a boar hog

[Armygirl4Ever]

Do you know why they changed that in the first place?

Here is the message that was sent out when the change was announced.
Personally, I think when worn properly the beret really enhances the uniform, sadly, most Soldiers do not wear them right and that bothers me. They are only worn in garrison. Soldiers don't have an option as to what headgear they get to wear, they wear what the Commander prescribes each day and in garrison it's most often the beret over the patrol cap.

030011Z NOV 00

CSA SENDS - THE ARMY BLACK BERET

The Army must change to maintain its relevance for the evolving strategic environment. To provide our Nation strategic options for mastering the complexity of that environment, The Army committed, in its Vision a year ago, that "as technology allows, we will begin to erase the distinctions between heavy and light forces." In the United States Army, the beret has become a symbol of excellence of our specialty units. Soldiers of the Special Forces, our airborne units, and the Ranger Regiment have long demonstrated such excellence through their legendary accomplishments and unmatched capabilities. Their deployability, versatility, and agility are due, in part, to their organizational structure and equipment. But more significant is their adaptiveness, which keeps them ready to take on any mission, anytime, anyplace.

Today, the distinctive emblem of these units is the wear of the beret. But, over the past 50 years, berets have been worn by a variety of Army formations--airborne, armor, cavalry, infantry, ranger, special forces, and others. The black beret was being worn by formations Army-wide, when it was approved by the Army for wear by the Ranger Regiment in 1975. Today, it remains one of our symbols of excellence in The Army as reflected by its wear in the Ranger Regiment.

We are transforming today's most powerful Army in the world from a Cold War Legacy Force to an Objective Force with early entry capabilities that can operate jointly, without access to fixed forward bases, and still have the power to slug it out and win campaigns decisively (Intent, June 1999). This Transformation will correct the condition in today's Legacy Force where our heavy forces are too heavy, and our light forces lack staying power. To master this strategic transition and to establish the parameters for decisiveness in the 21st century, The Army must become adaptive to be strategically responsive and dominant across the entire spectrum of military operations.

To symbolize The Army's commitment to transforming itself into the Objective Force, The Army will adopt the black beret for wear Army-wide. It is not about increasing recruiting; we achieved our recruiting target of 180,000 recruits last year--without a beret. It is not about retention; for the second year in a row, we exceeded our reenlistment goal by a wide margin--without a beret. It is not about morale; Soldiers are ready today to go into harm's way. It is about our excellence as Soldiers, our unity as a force, and our values as an institution.

Effective 14 June 2001, the first Army birthday in the new millennium, the black beret will become standard wear in The Army--Active and Reserve Components. Sergeant Major of the Army Tilley will lead the effort to craft implementing guidelines, including indoctrination standards that all Soldiers will meet before they are authorized to wear the beret. Special operations and airborne units will retain their distinctive berets.

Soldiers remain the centerpiece of our formation. We will march into the next millennium as The Army--the strategic joint force of choice for the 21st century.


SHINSEKI

[Marine4Life]

Here is the message that was sent out when the change was announced.
Personally, I think when worn properly the beret really enhances the uniform, sadly, most Soldiers do not wear them right and that bothers me. They are only worn in garrison. Soldiers don't have an option as to what headgear they get to wear, they wear what the Commander prescribes each day and in garrison it's most often the beret over the patrol cap.

030011Z NOV 00

CSA SENDS - THE ARMY BLACK BERET

The Army must change to maintain its relevance for the evolving strategic environment. To provide our Nation strategic options for mastering the complexity of that environment, The Army committed, in its Vision a year ago, that "as technology allows, we will begin to erase the distinctions between heavy and light forces." In the United States Army, the beret has become a symbol of excellence of our specialty units. Soldiers of the Special Forces, our airborne units, and the Ranger Regiment have long demonstrated such excellence through their legendary accomplishments and unmatched capabilities. Their deployability, versatility, and agility are due, in part, to their organizational structure and equipment. But more significant is their adaptiveness, which keeps them ready to take on any mission, anytime, anyplace.

Today, the distinctive emblem of these units is the wear of the beret. But, over the past 50 years, berets have been worn by a variety of Army formations--airborne, armor, cavalry, infantry, ranger, special forces, and others. The black beret was being worn by formations Army-wide, when it was approved by the Army for wear by the Ranger Regiment in 1975. Today, it remains one of our symbols of excellence in The Army as reflected by its wear in the Ranger Regiment.

We are transforming today's most powerful Army in the world from a Cold War Legacy Force to an Objective Force with early entry capabilities that can operate jointly, without access to fixed forward bases, and still have the power to slug it out and win campaigns decisively (Intent, June 1999). This Transformation will correct the condition in today's Legacy Force where our heavy forces are too heavy, and our light forces lack staying power. To master this strategic transition and to establish the parameters for decisiveness in the 21st century, The Army must become adaptive to be strategically responsive and dominant across the entire spectrum of military operations.

To symbolize The Army's commitment to transforming itself into the Objective Force, The Army will adopt the black beret for wear Army-wide. It is not about increasing recruiting; we achieved our recruiting target of 180,000 recruits last year--without a beret. It is not about retention; for the second year in a row, we exceeded our reenlistment goal by a wide margin--without a beret. It is not about morale; Soldiers are ready today to go into harm's way. It is about our excellence as Soldiers, our unity as a force, and our values as an institution.

Effective 14 June 2001, the first Army birthday in the new millennium, the black beret will become standard wear in The Army--Active and Reserve Components. Sergeant Major of the Army Tilley will lead the effort to craft implementing guidelines, including indoctrination standards that all Soldiers will meet before they are authorized to wear the beret. Special operations and airborne units will retain their distinctive berets.

Soldiers remain the centerpiece of our formation. We will march into the next millennium as The Army--the strategic joint force of choice for the 21st century.


SHINSEKI

Thank you. Now I understand.

[scconwill]

Here is the message that was sent out when the change was announced.
Personally, I think when worn properly the beret really enhances the uniform, sadly, most Soldiers do not wear them right and that bothers me. They are only worn in garrison. Soldiers don't have an option as to what headgear they get to wear, they wear what the Commander prescribes each day and in garrison it's most often the beret over the patrol cap.

030011Z NOV 00

CSA SENDS - THE ARMY BLACK BERET

The Army must change to maintain its relevance for the evolving strategic environment. To provide our Nation strategic options for mastering the complexity of that environment, The Army committed, in its Vision a year ago, that "as technology allows, we will begin to erase the distinctions between heavy and light forces." In the United States Army, the beret has become a symbol of excellence of our specialty units. Soldiers of the Special Forces, our airborne units, and the Ranger Regiment have long demonstrated such excellence through their legendary accomplishments and unmatched capabilities. Their deployability, versatility, and agility are due, in part, to their organizational structure and equipment. But more significant is their adaptiveness, which keeps them ready to take on any mission, anytime, anyplace.

Today, the distinctive emblem of these units is the wear of the beret. But, over the past 50 years, berets have been worn by a variety of Army formations--airborne, armor, cavalry, infantry, ranger, special forces, and others. The black beret was being worn by formations Army-wide, when it was approved by the Army for wear by the Ranger Regiment in 1975. Today, it remains one of our symbols of excellence in The Army as reflected by its wear in the Ranger Regiment.

We are transforming today's most powerful Army in the world from a Cold War Legacy Force to an Objective Force with early entry capabilities that can operate jointly, without access to fixed forward bases, and still have the power to slug it out and win campaigns decisively (Intent, June 1999). This Transformation will correct the condition in today's Legacy Force where our heavy forces are too heavy, and our light forces lack staying power. To master this strategic transition and to establish the parameters for decisiveness in the 21st century, The Army must become adaptive to be strategically responsive and dominant across the entire spectrum of military operations.

To symbolize The Army's commitment to transforming itself into the Objective Force, The Army will adopt the black beret for wear Army-wide. It is not about increasing recruiting; we achieved our recruiting target of 180,000 recruits last year--without a beret. It is not about retention; for the second year in a row, we exceeded our reenlistment goal by a wide margin--without a beret. It is not about morale; Soldiers are ready today to go into harm's way. It is about our excellence as Soldiers, our unity as a force, and our values as an institution.

Effective 14 June 2001, the first Army birthday in the new millennium, the black beret will become standard wear in The Army--Active and Reserve Components. Sergeant Major of the Army Tilley will lead the effort to craft implementing guidelines, including indoctrination standards that all Soldiers will meet before they are authorized to wear the beret. Special operations and airborne units will retain their distinctive berets.

Soldiers remain the centerpiece of our formation. We will march into the next millennium as The Army--the strategic joint force of choice for the 21st century.


SHINSEKI
well in my books berets and garrison caps are still useless as tits on a boar hog, but I guess it wouldn't be the military if we didn't half to where something funny on our heads.:)

[Fireball]

well in my books berets and garrison caps are still useless as tits on a boar hog, but I guess it wouldn't be the military if we didn't half to where something funny on our heads.:)

Interesting... so you've tried those tits huh - to make sure of that? Must have been back in your pot smok'n days... :D

[scconwill]

Interesting... so you've tried those tits huh - to make sure of that? Must have been back in your pot smok'n days... :D
Na its just an old saying that we use on the farm........................my pot smok'n days consisted of us sitting in a friends basement playing Halo I never experienced with psychedelics

[Fireball]

Na its just an old saying that we use on the farm........................my pot smok'n days consisted of us sitting in a friends basement playing Halo I never experienced with psychedelics

I know... we have farmers in my family... Just the image of you doing it struck me funny!! LOL That stuff you bought must have been cheap. Talk to Spike... he'll get you a better hook up... ROFL

[scconwill]

I know... we have farmers in my family... Just the image of you doing it struck me funny!! LOL That stuff you bought must have been cheap. Talk to Spike... he'll get you a better hook up... ROFL I don't do drugs anymore. I get 2 random drug test a month for Football and ROTC so I'm cool. Plus smokin pot was cool when I was like 15 and didn't have **** to do with my biggest worry was beating Halo 2 on Legendary (which I did eventually do and yes its hard as balls), but now I'm in the big boy world and I have **** to do hahah.

[Fireball]

I don't do drugs anymore. I get 2 random drug test a month for Football and ROTC so I'm cool. Plus smokin pot was cool when I was like 15 and didn't have **** to do with my biggest worry was beating Halo 2 on Legendary (which I did eventually do and yes its hard as balls), but now I'm in the big boy world and I have **** to do hahah.

OBVIOUSLY... man, your undies are tight since you have to explain everything... your other post said 14... I guess I will have to give or take a year or two when reading through your "past life" posts. LOL ;) Nothing is "hard as balls" but maybe those boars tits.....

[scconwill]

OBVIOUSLY... man, your undies are tight since you have to explain everything... your other post said 14... I guess I will have to give or take a year or two when reading through your "past life" posts. LOL ;) Nothing is "hard as balls" but maybe those boars tits.....
Ive taken so many hard blows to my head that stuff get mess around, oh and go try and play Halo 1,2, or 3 on Legendary and you will see what I mean........haha