war in iraq

[rangerhopefull_1162]

should we be here? should we not?
should we leave now? or should we stick it out?
is it worth it? is it not?

my opinion:
we should be there. the people were being oppressed, and posed a indirect threat to us and the rest of the world. if we werent, then he might have used weapons of mass destruction.(there has been evidence of those being around, thanx france.)
we should not leave now, because another veitnam would occur.
it is worth it, not only from the moral perspective, but from the economic standpoint aswell.

your veiws would be?

[ozzi-solja]

stick it ot, without a doubt.

the actual 'war in iraq' is over, its now more of a peacekeeping mission, and to 'keep the peace', we must stay. Australia herself just commited another battalion to Iraq, and we have no plans of leaving atleast for another two years.

The middle-east needs a strong democratic presence to demonstrate that Theocratic dictatorships (thats religously run govts. with no seperation of powers and military police, such as Iran) is not an acceptable form of government for the people. I know, its easy to criticise, but if the middle-east populations knew how free they could be, which do you think they'd choose?

I personally couldn't give a **** about Weapons of Mass Destruction, even if there were any. That was a bad attempt at Dubya's justification of the war. What he didnt realise is that he didnt really need justification, going to war in Iraq was simply 'the right thing to do'.

Besides, Saddam WAS harbouring terrorists, so he deserved the same fate as the Taliban.

[rangerzrock]

ok i havent been to iraq but i agree too. no matter what the reason of going in there was, good came out of it. there was some pretty gruesome deaths at the beginning but now when you see the faces of some of those kids on the news and stuff they're as happy as the italians were after rome was liberated, and that's all that matters. if the americans,aussi's and any others i left out (srry if i did i'm sleepy right now so i don't really know) continue peacekeeping in there then Godspeed. ;) ;) ;)

[ozzi-solja]

where you from rangerzrock??

[rangerhopefull_1162]

very nice opinion ranger.

thats what we often forget, the people. but also u have to rember our people. i honestly could not and would not choose 1000 iraqi deaths over 1000 american deaths, i never could. i would be willing to go overseas today if i was 18 and in the rangers and wood be prepared to give my life for my country, and for the cause. i dont fear death becuase i know wher im going (heaven) and i would rather give my life fighting the terrorists, then sit back and see than see terrorists blow up another trade center, wooah.

oh yea, ranger maybe ill see ya in r.i.p. ;)

[rangerzrock]

i aggree but nobody can bring any1 to life but we can prevent more deaths wether they be american or iraqi so may all those who have died from the wtc and the outcomes of that disaster through the mercy of God rest in peace.

[ozzi-solja]

couldnt have put it better myself my man

i was actually quoted by a newspaper once to have said (in relation to sending forces to Iraq) "A nuclear device, should one exist, will to a hell of a lot more damage than a couple of crazies flying Jumbo's".

Of course Saddam didnt end up having nukes... but WHO CARES, out with the old and in with the new... Iraq is one more country we really don't have to worry about anymore, by that i mean national threats.

Time to move on to the DPRK, hehehe

[rangerzrock]

lol well....ya :confused:

[rangerhopefull_1162]

lol, guess so

[ozzi-solja]

well, apparently DPRK has 8:1 infantry ratio on current south korean and UN forces combined on the DMZ. If they invaded today, Seoul would be overrun within three days. **** that situation man, Australia would be there in seconds to get some action, and i'd be with em'!!

[rangerhopefull_1162]

hmm, same with us probably im afraid.

we have good nations ozzi and ranger, i hope that never changes

[ozzi-solja]

i hear that, but world politics is no longer conservative, and most governments think that change comes from war.

[rangerzrock]

well i wouldn't call canada's gov a good gov the people are good but pretty much all of our gov's absolutely suck it's like the only reason we have liberal's in ther is bcus they buy votes and they absolutely stink. most of canada is mp and conservitave but when votes r bought then u can't really win so.......ya another thing is that our army abo****ely stinks that's y i want to join the u.s 75th ranger battalion. u lucky guyz get all the good cuntries. :( :( :(

[ozzi-solja]

****ing diddums mate.

one question i have, how come Canada isn't a rich country, afterall, they have all that ****ing oil.

[rangerzrock]

oh we're rich alright but the gov doesn't show it because all he uses our tax money an stuff for is evil crap like abortion, pornography, and euthanasia ect... so we are rich but all our f-ing riches are being used by our f-ing gov to go into all that bull****. :mad:

[ozzi-solja]

bugga hey

Australia's more like a dirt poor nation that wants to spend all its money on the big things; like defence, immigration, global security, free trade and all that crap. our govt cares very little for domestic issues, they're left for the state governments

[rangerzrock]

well u guys spend on betta stuff than us i mean our army just, JUST got bullet proof camo covers for our cannons like 2 years ago. sigh*

[Jynx]

Why don’t you tell that to the fat politicians that leech money off of our people hear in America to suit their own interests and who don’t care about the commoners or vets….

[rangerzrock]

i will tell that to the politicians if i get a chance in this lifetime (oh boi will i EVER TELL THEM) and did u guys all over the world hear about Terry Schiavo? that is a sad sad story... and to think that she dehidrated and starved for 2 weeks! and on the news and all they were saying that that's how people die... it is not my gramma didn't die like that! my dad and the rest of the family were at her deathbed and she had a drink of water b4 she died so ya sometimes i wish that we had different gov's (i can't talk for places like austrailia and overseas places cus i don't live near there) but bush ain't that bad in fact he's quite good. as for canada uh un i don't like liberals or ndp

[DELTATIGER]

i think we are doing the right thing. i mean who knows what would of happened by now if we werent in there. even more innocent people would be died and living a terrable life. i'v heard many people say that we dont stand for freedom any more but were liberating people from years of unwanted pain and suffering. we need to put our selfs in there shoes and seet throu the eyes of those over in iraq.

[rangerzrock]

oops thnx delta we just about strayed from the conversation lol :D

[ozzi-solja]

Capital Punishment and euthenasia arent even valid questions in this country, they are illegal and thats that.

Thats the problem with the US, they have a Bill of Rights, not a Constitution. Our contitution protects the nation as a whole, while the Bill of Rights protects an individual and allows for a certain amount of criticism.

Not that i'm baggin the US or anything.

Back to war, hell, we hate that too, but we do it

[rangerzrock]

yup that's right... the one thing that REALLY pisses me off though is abortion, like evry year in Canada over like 3 million babies are aborted *sigh* :(

[darkwinter]

yup that's right... the one thing that REALLY pisses me off though is abortion, like evry year in Canada over like 3 million babies are aborted *sigh* :(


Less of a chance that they would turn out like you.

[Jynx]

Shut up you arrogant idiototic fool, you have no room to talk, as I see it, he is a better mold than anyone who sees him as something to pick in or who thinks that abortion is ok……….

Ozzi, ive seen some of your posts, help me on this one.

As far as euthanasia, it is not right, but I am all for capital punishment

[rangerzrock]

ya but the one problemo with capitol punishment is that ther might be a man convicted who is actually innocent (such as on that old classic show "the fugitive") so i think it should only be given to notorious murderurs and terrorists, cause if they escape(i'm not saying that our security is low lol) then they're back out to pillage and burn.

[rangerzrock]

but they should also get rid of the painfull and gruesome executions such as the "chair" and stuff it should just be a non-painfull death like the firing squad, and they should keep from letting the public view it.

[Jynx]

they should give the murderer the same cold death as he killed the other person, whether it be drownding, shooting, hit with a car or bleed to death, they should get the same treatment.

[rangerzrock]

well we have to try and make them humane deaths, killing the murderur by the way he killed the victim sometimes is not egxactly what i'd call humane. nobody can control the way that the first victim died, but the least we can do is be humane...u don't eat a bear alive when you go bear hunting just bcus he ate like a deer alive and so and so....but ya always try and use the most humane way
another thing is that always try and get the murderer to repent b4 he is executed, just to give him a chance so he wont go to hell. ;)

[Aravis]

yup that's right... the one thing that REALLY pisses me off though is abortion, like evry year in Canada over like 3 million babies are aborted *sigh* :(

I've never had an abortion (and actually, I don't see how this has anything to do with the original thread) and I don't know if I could ever go through with one, but I like to know that I have that opportunity if something "goes wrong", I mean, you can do everything right, use protection, but nothing is 100%. I think it is better for someone not to be born than to come into this world and have a mother who doesn't want one and in the worst case be given up for adoption and grow up in a orphanage.
Well, that's just my opinion, I can see you guys are all believers in God so I'm guessing you believe a woman becomes pregnant according to His will and for a purpose, but I'm not religious (complete atheist), so I don't see it that way.

Going back to what this thread was all about. I don't think the U.S. should have gone to war in Iraq, I think the ones who had anything to say about it before the war should have done everything to prevent it, but now with all that has happened the iraqies can't be left alone against the insurgents before they've had the chanse to build up their own police forces, security forces, whatever they need to keep the people as safe as possible.

[rangerzrock]

ya well abortion should never be used because it is a human from conception to natural death. but ya anyway we ARE leaving the topic so let's get back to it lol.

[Jynx]

agreed on both counts

what is the topic, i forget

[rangerzrock]

uhmmmmm....i think it was on war in iraq, should we be here or not, ya that's it lol ;)

[Jynx]

oh yea we shood be there

[rangerzrock]

yup, lol ;) :D ;)

[kurusch]

Yes, we have the moral obligation to stay, having killed 100,000 Iraqis. There were no WMD, that was a lie, Sadaam posed no threat to the West, the invasion was illegal by international standards, Sadaam harboured no terrorists. Of course he was a murdering butcher and a scumbag but the majority of Iraqis want the coalition out. Before the invasion, there was reasonably reliable water and electricity, not now. Despite the Baathist attrocities, Iraqis could work and go to work safely, something they can't do now, even if they can find a job. The place is a squalid nightmare of a place. The oil, though not under the control of the people, was at least Iraqi oil, now it is managed by American firms, and when the supply returns to something like pre-war levels, American firms will cream the profits off (Haliburton anyone?).
Having smashed the place, we have an obligation to stay until Iraqis can feel at least as secure as before the war.

[rangerzrock]

ya we may have killed 100,000 but guess how many died b4 we went there, and how many would have died. it sums to close to a million :cool:

[kurusch]

ya we may have killed 100,000 but guess how many died b4 we went there, and how many would have died. it sums to close to a million :cool:

You're deliberately conflating the pre Sadaam and Post Sadaam death rates. I'm being consistant in talking about the death post Sadaam. And I don't think it's a cause of pride to boast that we 'only' killed 100,000, I thought we were supposed to be better than the Baathist regime.

[rangerzrock]

i'm not saying that at all i'm saying that more would have died if we hadn't gone then if we went ther, we saved tons of lives and took out a evil dictator...to me that's this boy scouts good deed for the day. :cool:

[royal marine]

yer if we would not of gone we would of been under the threat of a nuclear explosion very soon....and sod this inspection stuff it dont work.....its just like team america world police ....lol....anyway....saddam INsane could of gained a nuclear devise from anyone around the world so we basically needed to do that....and also our world is going weaker and if it was 100 years ago we would of been in iraq as soon as there was trouble so no q uestion about it......so basically we did our duty.....it was the yanks that thouht about it twice...us brits were all ready as soon assaddam hussain had power but to give the yanks respect they were alwyas gonna be there......and did ya hear about the falklands war is gonna start again...the argies are ready to invade but we have 5000 troops there...so no problems...not to mention they are paras and marines....EASY.....brilliant job in iraq guys if a soldier reads this......and also rangerzrock i was rong about u ., you are quite cool and the canadian army does defeintely NOT stink hey are good fighters and brilliant honours stand in their name such as ww2......

[kurusch]

[QUOTE=royal marine]
yer if we would not of gone we would of been under the threat of a nuclear explosion very soon..........so basically we did our duty.....


Alright, perhaps you gung-ho wannabes from the UK and US should enlist ASAP and go to North Korea to do your duty, take a fall-out shelter with you. You wanna know the people that don't bay for war? The professional soldiers, that's who. They know what war means, you don't.


http://www.stopwar.org.uk/photos/war/dead02.jpg

[rangerzrock]

ulll... :cool:

[kurusch]

ulll... :cool:

Well, there's a well thought-out argument.

[ozzi-solja]

to the 'royal marine' with shocking grammar.

if Saddam was capable of obtaining nuclear weapons, why hadnt he done so already?

also, if he's not the one building them, why didint we go after the people who were? If Saddam could have bought a WOMD from anywhere in the world, why did we attack him instead of the suppliers?

i agree that we should be in Iraq, simply for the fact that Saddam was an evil bastard that treated his own people like **** and discriminated against thier beliefs. That **** aint right. but any talk of nuclear weapons or **** like that i growing old. the way i see it, Bush was playing on the paranoia felt by the United States post 9/11, and used the nukes as a justifiable excuse to kick the **** out of Saddam.

by the way, anyone who tries to use numbers or statistics to justify or discredit a war is full of ****. who cares if more people have died after the war than before it. atleast the people dying post-war arent being executed for having different beliefs. instead they are collateral damage in the struggle for their own freedom. that is an unfortunate fact of war.

how many people died for democracy in World War II?

[royal marine]

ok u ozzie is pissin me off and i do 'shocking' grammar bcos its a quicker way to do it u crocodile hunting bastard....we are the 1s who supply u so shut up...and also we invaded u......and also that picture is not gruesome (well it is but to be a true soldier u have to put up with it)....also my family have been in the most gruesome wars ever...for example fuzzie wuzzies (the dump people here wont even know that war) the boar war...WW1...ww2 but still ill give u 1 example....my great grandfather fought as a marksman (the dumb people here wont know that either...which are kurushlt and ozzie guy) in the boar war and killed hundreds of africans but assoon as the WW1 broke out we went straight back to the army.......so basiacally if u cant put up with war (US) THEN DONT BE A ****ING SOLDIER FOR **** SAKE

[kurusch]

ok u ozzie is pissin me off and i do 'shocking' grammar bcos its a quicker way to do it u crocodile hunting bastard....we are the 1s who supply u so shut up...and also we invaded u......and also that picture is not gruesome (well it is but to be a true soldier u have to put up with it)....also my family have been in the most gruesome wars ever...for example fuzzie wuzzies (the dump people here wont even know that war) the boar war...WW1...ww2 but still ill give u 1 example....my great grandfather fought as a marksman (the dumb people here wont know that either...which are kurushlt and ozzie guy) in the boar war and killed hundreds of africans but assoon as the WW1 broke out we went straight back to the army.......so basiacally if u cant put up with war (US) THEN DONT BE A ****ING SOLDIER FOR **** SAKE

'kurushlt'.............Oh you wanna play games too eh latrine?
So you reckon you're a true soldier eh? Not even near it mate.
I assume you mean dumb people when you type 'dump people'. Well, as you've decided I'm a 'dump' person, let me educate you. The people you're struggling to name are the Boers, not boars. The Boers (capital B, latrine) were Dutch settlers, boars (lower case, latrine) are wild pigs. If your old great grandad was shooting the fuzzy-wuzzys (that's the Zulus you're pathetically racially stereotyping), he was aiming at the wrong people. Seems to be a family trait eh? Sadly, as a 'dump' person, I do know what a marksman is latrine, a lot better than you ever will. And why did old great grandad have to 'go back' to the army to fight in Europe when he was already fighting the Boers? Wasn't he already a soldier? I can see where you get your confusion from.

[ozzi-solja]

to the royal marine with shocking grammar: (again)

1. love pissing off brits, its my mission, so i take no offence to that

2. don't hunt crocodiles myself, primarily because they've been a protected species for ohhh, geez only the past twenty five years

3. you don't supply us you cokcy wanker, we supply ourselves, we have absolutely no military ties with the UK or Britain

4. I WILL not Shutup

5. You didnt invade us, you colonised the continent of Australia in the name of the British Empire, an empire long dead due to the lack of importance of the monarch... and we're an independent nation, and there is a difference between colonisation and invasion, read up on your history before you start making claims

6. didnt comment on the picture, think its a sad reality of war, and everyone should get used to it

7. couldn't give a **** about your military family, means nothing to me

8. thats the first time i've ever heard of Boars being reffered to as 'Fuzzy-wuzzies', to Australian knowledge a 'fuzzy-wuzzy', aka 'fuzzy-wuzzy angels' are a local Papua New Guinian tribe that assisted the Australian troops in supply and medical transportation during the jungle fighting in Kokoda, 1942

9. not arguing with anyones ability to put up with or fight a war, we are all capable with the right motivation and reasons.

i for one would never wage war to simply kill the enemy and increase the body count. i would do so to allow peace to occur.

Thankyou for reading gentlemen, have a wonderful evening

[royal marine]

Have U ****ing Met Me U Sad Prick.....no....how Dya Know About All That Stuff Then And Caaling Me A Latrine Is Sooosad....get A Life U ****.......im A Brit All Britsare Soldiering Heroes I Mean Look At Da Bloke In Iraq Awarded Victoria Cross....bloody Hell U Are Dumb Cos The Fuzzie Wuzzies Were The Enemy And After That War He Left Cos His Wife Said Then Joined Up For Ww1....u Are Soooo Dumb U Need To Research Somestuff U Dumb Peado

[kurusch]

[QUOTE=royal marine]
'Have U ****ing Met Me U Sad Prick.'
No, I haven't had that exceptional honour

'how Dya Know About All That Stuff Then
Spooky eh?

'And Caaling Me A Latrine Is Sooosad..'
I would answer that but my language is English, what's yours?

'.get A Life U ****'
Like yours eh? No thanks, I've got a brain.

'im A Brit'
Congratulations. Shame you can't use the English language. Are you an immigrant who is having English tuition?

'All Britsare Soldiering Heroes'
My granny and her mates, and Alfie, their haidresser beg to differ.

'I Mean Look At Da Bloke In Iraq Awarded Victoria Cross'
I know. He's a brave lad, and he can speak English.

'bloody Hell U Are Dumb'
No, I have a fine baritone voice thank you.

'Cos The Fuzzie Wuzzies Were The Enemy'
You mean the International Terror Brigade of Hairdressers?

'And After That War He Left Cos His Wife Said Then Joined Up For Ww1'
His wife joined up for WW1?

'u Are Soooo Dumb U Need To Research Somestuff U Dumb Peado'
Oh right, cheers Latrine, I'll do that.

[rangerzrock]

[QUOTE=royal marine]
'Have U ****ing Met Me U Sad Prick.'
No, I haven't had that exceptional honour

'how Dya Know About All That Stuff Then
Spooky eh?

'And Caaling Me A Latrine Is Sooosad..'
I would answer that but my language is English, what's yours?

'.get A Life U ****'
Like yours eh? No thanks, I've got a brain.

'im A Brit'
Congratulations. Shame you can't use the English language. Are you an immigrant who is having English tuition?

'All Britsare Soldiering Heroes'
My granny and her mates, and Alfie, their haidresser beg to differ.

'I Mean Look At Da Bloke In Iraq Awarded Victoria Cross'
I know. He's a brave lad, and he can speak English.

'bloody Hell U Are Dumb'
No, I have a fine baritone voice thank you.

'Cos The Fuzzie Wuzzies Were The Enemy'
You mean the International Terror Brigade of Hairdressers?

'And After That War He Left Cos His Wife Said Then Joined Up For Ww1'
His wife joined up for WW1?

'u Are Soooo Dumb U Need To Research Somestuff U Dumb Peado'
Oh right, cheers Latrine, I'll do that.


sweet.....


and another thing royal, the brits may have fought WWI and WWII but here is some news u british crackpot. WE FOUGHT IT TOOOO! get the hell off this site u terd, and u guys called the boers "fuzzy wuzzy's"? when they were whopping the living **** out of you, oh ya by the way you guys wun';t hvae u'r precious commandos if it werent for the boers,
they were beating the **** out of you guys, the only reason you won is out of numbers, the brits had no skill in fighting whatsoever, all they did was shoot a few rounds, and then charge with bayonetts. WHAT TACTICS ARE THERE IN THAT!! the only reason they'd get through that is bcus they had big no's. but i g2 say that the boers were the REAL men in the fight. all you brits are a bunch of pussies who have nothing better to do then diss other people. go have some muffins an tea you peice of cow droppings.

oh ya i think latrine means somebody from italy or something, oh well sounds like a sweet, original insult.

and for news for royal, if kurusch is so dumb, then how come he's pretty much the only one on this forum with 100% true history. ahem* :cool:

[kurusch]

[QUOTE=rangerzrock]

'oh ya i think latrine means somebody from italy or something, oh well sounds like a sweet, original insult.

and for news for royal, if kurusch is so dumb, then how come he's pretty much the only one on this forum with 100% true history.'

Well, I'm not here for compliments ranger but thanks anyway. The reason I'm attacking some of my fellow Brits is because they're a disgrace. They have no knowledge of military history, none of modern military tactics and strengths, and no political savvy at all. They make me feel ashamed with their 'British are best at everything' kiddie mentality. My facts may or may not be quite 100% correct but I do know what I'm talking about, my army experience and research into political and military affairs, historic and modern, see to that.

The reason I call Dumbo 'latrine' is because that's the army term for '****-house' and it rhymes with marine. I think that suits him well.
Not all Brits are as stupid and moronic as the few that jump up and down in their play-pens here, most of us are decent and educated people. As for the British armed forces, they wouldn't touch this lot here with a **** stick.

[ozzi-solja]

out of all the times i've pissed myself laughing, this has got to be in the top five. dont take that literally either, i have perfect bladder control.

but just so we're clear royal, that reply wasnt aimed at me right? i thought not.

the British may well be the best, but atleast try to justify it with 'factual' means, and less bias.

besides, this thread is aimed at the war i Irag, can we get back to that??

[royal marine]

yet again u are argueing with military experts and i look this stuff up in every book i have u should see my bookshelf......and i respect u guys except ranger guy....i like u ozzie and i ike u kurusclh or sumin like that......my mate is in the royal marines and he has fought with the yanks on several occasions and apparently they totally humiliated them with their out of the scale knowledge and toughnes (this was in norway) then they had to jump in an ice cold pool for toughness training and the us said **** that but only 1 did it and these were US MARINES U KNOW THE SUPPSOEDLY BEST OF THE BEST.....and i dont listen to u people who saystuff like the boers kicked our arse and that we have a crap army....thats just stupid dribble which i wont even bother to argue even kurushlt would even admit that

[kurusch]

yer if we would not of gone we would of been under the threat of a nuclear explosion very soon....and sod this inspection stuff it dont work.....its just like team america world police ....lol....anyway....saddam INsane could of gained a nuclear devise from anyone around the world so we basically needed to do that....and also our world is going weaker and if it was 100 years ago we would of been in iraq as soon as there was trouble so no q uestion about it......so basically we did our duty.....it was the yanks that thouht about it twice...us brits were all ready as soon assaddam hussain had power but to give the yanks respect they were alwyas gonna be there......and did ya hear about the falklands war is gonna start again...the argies are ready to invade but we have 5000 troops there...so no problems...not to mention they are paras and marines....EASY.....brilliant job in iraq guys if a soldier reads this......and also rangerzrock i was rong about u ., you are quite cool and the canadian army does defeintely NOT stink hey are good fighters and brilliant honours stand in their name such as ww2......

You talk first class bollocks latrine. .'saddam INsane could of gained a nuclear devise from anyone around the world so we basically needed to do that'.....Really? So why do the Americans not 'do their duty' to North Korea? I'll tell you why, it's a lot easier to invade a country that can't defend itself + whoopeee, look ma, oil! Oh, yes, mere coincidence, of course. And if the British are as keen as you fantasise, let them go to NK, might be a bit of a mess eh? As for the Falklands, more fantasy latrine.

[kurusch]

yet again u are argueing with military experts and i look this stuff up in every book i have u should see my bookshelf......and i respect u guys except ranger guy....i like u ozzie and i ike u kurusclh or sumin like that......my mate is in the royal marines and he has fought with the yanks on several occasions and apparently they totally humiliated them with their out of the scale knowledge and toughnes (this was in norway) then they had to jump in an ice cold pool for toughness training and the us said **** that but only 1 did it and these were US MARINES U KNOW THE SUPPSOEDLY BEST OF THE BEST.....and i dont listen to u people who saystuff like the boers kicked our arse and that we have a crap army....thats just stupid dribble which i wont even bother to argue even kurushlt would even admit that

'yet again u are argueing with military experts and i look this stuff up in every book i have'
Maybe, but 'Hot ****s', 'Studs R Us', and 'The Trainspotters Guide To Bloody Big Tanks' aren't the best reference books.

' u should see my bookshelf'
I'd like to. I bet it's nearly a foot long.

' and i ike u kurusclh or sumin like that'
Sorry, I can't say I return the favour.

'my mate is in the royal marines and he has fought with the yanks on several occasions '
When did war break out between the US and UK then?

'.and i dont listen to u people who saystuff like the boers kicked our arse and that we have a crap army....thats just stupid dribble which i wont even bother to argue even kurushlt would even admit that'
Kurusch has never stated nor hinted nor made any vague claim that the British Army is anything but excellent.
Neither will he join in the kiddie ****-size fighting.

[royal marine]

no my marine friend has fought with them not against them sorry lol....i dont know why you disrespect me i just wanna be friends...im not bigheaded or anything its just i DO know quite a lot about these things....me and ozziehave made a truce how about you cmon this isnt british behaviour

[kurusch]

no my marine friend has fought with them not against them sorry lol....i dont know why you disrespect me i just wanna be friends...im not bigheaded or anything its just i DO know quite a lot about these things....me and ozziehave made a truce how about you cmon this isnt british behaviour

Fair enough. I came here for serious discussion on a subject I enjoy and know a bit about. I can't stand the petty wrangling, especially from Brits, about the size of our ****s. I mean, when we're talking about say, the relative best army units and suchlike, why can't we stick to the subject, that's what the site is for. I'm not against a bit of boasting, I'm proud of what we Brits acheive too, but it's demeaning to a great nation to just say 'we beat the **** out of you' and 'you yanks can't fight your way out of a paper bag'. I'd like to join you in the 'truce' and I don't mind what you say about me personally, that's water off a ducks back. Jock proved he can't take what he dishes out, that's why I waded into him. Okay latrine?

[ozzi-solja]

who's jock, not talking about me are ya?

hell, i'm no jock, it says in my profile i enjoy spectator sport...

back to the discussion... war in iraq.

was it necessary or would the UN have found a resolution in time? comments?

here's your serious conversation

[royal marine]

a jockis a sotsman and u are aussie so ure not called jock
im a jock though...sorryguys gotta go im going to lympstone marine barracks wont be back for however long they wanna push us to the limits.....commando acquaint course... then commando fitness test .....then commando survival test then some SA80 training then some 'getting up at 3 oclock in the morning' then hopefully a promotion YAY seee ya guys

[ozzi-solja]

*sob* do you nation proud son.;)

[royal marine]

yeah see ya but actualy im going in a acouple of months so bit of a misunderstanding there sorry they just told methe new date for it.....a wekk before summer holidays getta miss school

[MX8]

[QUOTE=royal marine]
yer if we would not of gone we would of been under the threat of a nuclear explosion very soon..........so basically we did our duty.....


Alright, perhaps you gung-ho wannabes from the UK and US should enlist ASAP and go to North Korea to do your duty, take a fall-out shelter with you. You wanna know the people that don't bay for war? The professional soldiers, that's who. They know what war means, you don't.


http://www.stopwar.org.uk/photos/war/dead02.jpg

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, wait a minute. US Army didn't kill those people, the insurgents did, they use them as a human shield. Iraqi just can't blame the US Army, unless they're protesting based on lack of security, then I am with them. But these death photos, insurgents killed them, not the marines or the US Army. I know they wouldn't do that unless they did it on purpose, sometimes accident if they got into the crossfire. I wholly blame on the insurgents, period.

[MX8]

I mean think about this- car bombs, IED, VBIED, suicide bomber squad, and the such- they're responible for killing numerous of Iraqis, period. The media is bull**** and the terrorists are taking advantage of it. Damn Al-Zaraqwi and Al-Sadir.

[kurusch]

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, wait a minute. US Army didn't kill those people, the insurgents did, they use them as a human shield. Iraqi just can't blame the US Army, unless they're protesting based on lack of security, then I am with them. But these death photos, insurgents killed them, not the marines or the US Army. I know they wouldn't do that unless they did it on purpose, sometimes accident if they got into the crossfire. I wholly blame on the insurgents, period.

100,000 Iraqis were killed in the initial invasion and the fighting afterwards, men, women and far too many ****ing children. That was before the 'insurgents' (some people call them freedom fighters) rose up against American opression and cruelty. And answer me this: How many innocents have died since the war was announced as 'won' by Brush? And when he flew oh so dramatically onto that aircraft carrier for his biggest photo-opportunity yet (pity he didn't fly a plane or two in Vietnam like most of his peers), there were something like 640 American dead. 'Since the war', another 1,000 have been killed.

[kurusch]

I mean think about this- car bombs, IED, VBIED, suicide bomber squad, and the such- they're responible for killing numerous of Iraqis, period. The media is bull**** and the terrorists are taking advantage of it. Damn Al-Zaraqwi and Al-Sadir.

And how many innocent Iraqis were being bombed before the 'war'? NONE.
How many terrorists were in Iraq before the war? NONE.

[royal marine]

look why are we dileberately trying not to mention the brits in iraq right now.....we are the 1s getting all the action at the moment...basra has loads of ambushes going on now as we speak..... :rolleyes: and yes there is no doubt about it we are killin a lot of cavilians in the crossfire but thereis nothing we can do.....if the insurgents wish to pull out their AK in a suburban area and get on their fighting gear then ambush us...then theres nothing we can do rather than fight back....insurgents look like cavilians for christ sake....if we did a civalised battle in a desert or sumin....then there would be no innocent dead....its cos these insurgents are cowards and shoot people than pretend they are a cavilian...ENOUGH SAID




did u know the IRA launched a bomb at us the other day.....but the bottle smashed

[kurusch]

[QUOTE=royal marine].
its cos these insurgents are cowards and shoot people than pretend they are a cavilian...ENOUGH SAID

You're so right. Not like our brave boys eh? Dropping bombs from airplanes thousands of feet high, launching cruise missiles from the Gulf. Why can't those cowardly barbarians fight us like men? Oh, I know, because they find it difficult to fight tanks, planes and drones from someones back garden. ****ing idiot.

[ozzi-solja]

this is becoming too emotional for my standards. although it is a healthy arguement, and a damn good one.

FACT: innocent people are dying everyday in Iraq thanks to the cowardice of insurgents
FACT: innocent people died duirng the 1980's gas attacks also

FACT: The coalition is also partly responisible... hell, they made the war

one can easily say that no one would have died in iraq if the war had not taken place. however, had it not, how many terrorists would have made their way into the US, UK, Australia, Russia and anywhere else?

just remember, over 4000 people died in WTC and Pentagon attacks, 200 in the Bali bombings, and some 1000 in Madrid.

They were all innocent. the only problem is that terrorists arent liberals, and dont whinge when their own people are killed. us on the other hand, whinge for both sides.

personally, i couldnt care less. call me an emotionless humanist, its probably the truth. death happens, war happens and **** happens.

[kurusch]

this is becoming too emotional for my standards. although it is a healthy arguement, and a damn good one.

FACT: innocent people are dying everyday in Iraq thanks to the cowardice of insurgents
FACT: innocent people died duirng the 1980's gas attacks also

FACT: The coalition is also partly responisible... hell, they made the war

one can easily say that no one would have died in iraq if the war had not taken place. however, had it not, how many terrorists would have made their way into the US, UK, Australia, Russia and anywhere else?

just remember, over 4000 people died in WTC and Pentagon attacks, 200 in the Bali bombings, and some 1000 in Madrid.

They were all innocent. the only problem is that terrorists arent liberals, and dont whinge when their own people are killed. us on the other hand, whinge for both sides.

personally, i couldnt care less. call me an emotionless humanist, its probably the truth. death happens, war happens and **** happens.


Fact: Less than 3,000 people died in the twin towers attack.
Fact:Innocent people are dying every day in Iarq thanks to the fighting between the 'coalition' and terrorists.
Fact: 100,000 people were killed as a direct result of the illegal invasion.
Fact: The coalition is wholly responsible....'hell, they made the war.'
Fact: The terrorists commit attrocities, the coalition commits attrocities.
Fact: The US and UK illegally invaded Iraq on the lying word of a criminal.
Fact: 1,000 US soldiers have died since the so-called end of hostilities.
Fact: Saddam Hussein was a murdering bastard.
Fact: Saddam Hussein posed no threat to the West.
Fact: Saddam Hussein was a CIA puppet for prosecuting the War against Iran.
Fact: Most of the hijackers on 9/11 were Saudis.
Fact: The only air movement allowed immediately after 9/11 were the flights taking the Bin Laden family back to Saudi, approved by the president of the USA.
Fact: The one person who can be blamed for 9/11 has not been found and Bush says he doesn't care.
Fact: Iraq had ****-all to do with 9/11, had NO WMD, harboured NO terrorists.
Fact: Iraq now has the largest number of anti-American terrorists on Earth.
Fact: NO US or UK soldier was told he was invading Iraq to remove its leader.

[ozzi-solja]

hell, no arguements there, but like i said, emotional discussion

im not one to sympathise with the Iraqi people, or the families of dead soldiers. and i'm sure as hell not going to tell them that their sons died fighting in a pointless war.

by the way

FACT: Iraq has oil, so to the beuracrats in Washington, it makes it all the worth while

[kurusch]

[QUOTE=ozzi-solja]
by the way

FACT: Iraq has oil, so to the beuracrats in Washington, it makes it all the worth while

Now on that we can definitely both agree.

[ozzi-solja]

**** you're a snappy reply

[kurusch]

**** you're a snappy reply


SNAP. SNAP. SNAP.

[ozzi-solja]

arrrggghhhh, STOP IT!!!!

[kurusch]

arrrggghhhh, STOP IT!!!!


SNAP! SNAP! SNAPPITY SNAP!

[ozzi-solja]

oky, that's enough. i'm going to bed, its like 2230 CST

[British and proud]

Put it this way, the war in Iraq is a good thing. It is showing the terrorist world that the western freedom in which we have earnt will not be threatened. Yes the way in which we went about it could have been better but that's up to Bush. He sais "jump" and Blair sais "how high"! The royal marines were first in and probably will be the last out so be proud of your countries efforts to put right this wrong in our world. I'm not proud that so many have had to die but it is for a good cause, simple as, no two ways about it! Imagine if someone like Hitler had access to a nuke, its up to us to stop these extremeists from gaining access to WMD!

[rangerzrock]

Put it this way, the war in Iraq is a good thing. It is showing the terrorist world that the western freedom in which we have earnt will not be threatened. Yes the way in which we went about it could have been better but that's up to Bush. He sais "jump" and Blair sais "how high"! The royal marines were first in and probably will be the last out so be proud of your countries efforts to put right this wrong in our world. I'm not proud that so many have had to die but it is for a good cause, simple as, no two ways about it! Imagine if someone like Hitler had access to a nuke, its up to us to stop these extremeists from gaining access to WMD!


finally something we both agree on, many MORE people wud'v died if we hadn't gone in, don't say that 100,000 deaths were caused by the coalition forces, and that there were no deaths b4 that, there were way more than 100,000 killed by saddam husein, b4 and ther cud'v been more too, :cool:

[ozzi-solja]

of course hitler would have used a nuke if he had access, he had very legal right to do so. Back then, war was actually declared. all this 'war on terror' **** involves no actual politics, just threats and invasions. of course we dont really care, its getting the problem solved.

but Bush saying 'jump', and Blair saying 'how high'. PLEASE!!! if bush said 'jump', Blair would do so regardless of whether or not it was over a bridge.

[royal marine]

back to what kuruch said to me about thay are cowards bcos we use big machineery....i'm not chattng about that,what about our troops thats what i'm talking about


****ing idiot

[royal marine]

out of everyone except js mac...kurush you are the 1 starting the arguments and yes 'm like ozzie idont have many emotions...**** happens in war

[kurusch]

[QUOTE=royal marine]

kurush you are the 1 starting the arguments

Oh I see. I've been seriously misled. I was told this was a place for discussion and argument based on facts and opinions. Silly me. I wasn't aware that one has to agree with everything posted, no matter how ignorant.

[ozzi-solja]

just dont go all religous on me please, im sick of that ****

[royal marine]

dont get smart old boy



anyway what was the topic...oh yeah...well theres nothing more on the subject really is there?