what do you think about Chinese army

[Chinaboy]

Hello ,everyone.I want to know what do you think about Chinese army.I am a Chinese collegue.I like my country very much.I want to make friends with you.If someone who want to chat me can get me a E-mail: foreverkkk@163.com

[torspo[fin]]

umm.. its large? :D
some interesting tech and stuff.. ( 5.8x42mm QBZ-95 assault rifle for example)
but this subject is not too much about politics..

[nbakyfan]

Well, China is quite frightning.

Right now they are trying to buy out a major oil company, unocal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/26/business/26unocal.html?ei=5065&en=12dfe370f6a318e8&ex=1120363200&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

Also, they plan to have 800 missiless pointed at Tawian by 2006...
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_10-3-2005_pg4_8

There's also been reports China, along with Russia have done "fake attacks" against them.
http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2005/03/17/20050317_160200_flash3rc.htm

China has been theratning as for awhile, warning us to stop selling Taiwan arms...
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=3087018&C=asiapac

There army is way bigger, and may even be better trained then ours for hand to hand combat. The only thing I believe they lack in is weapons. There weapons are advancing rapidly, but ours are suppose to be a tad bit better. Nuclear weapons will be out of the question if worst comes to worst and they invade us, if we protect Taiwan. Considering it would be a loose loose situation. They fire one at us, we fire one back. No winners...

Iraq isn't helping ours and taiwan's defense either. I was for invading Iraq, and I still stand by that. But we are side tracked with that. And moving troops half way across the world is no easy task.

There's my two cents atleast! :)

[kurusch]

Well, China is quite frightning.

Right now they are trying to buy out a major oil company, unocal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/26/business/26unocal.html?ei=5065&en=12dfe370f6a318e8&ex=1120363200&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

Also, they plan to have 800 missiless pointed at Tawian by 2006...
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_10-3-2005_pg4_8

There's also been reports China, along with Russia have done "fake attacks" against them.
http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2005/03/17/20050317_160200_flash3rc.htm

China has been theratning as for awhile, warning us to stop selling Taiwan arms...
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=3087018&C=asiapac

There army is way bigger, and may even be better trained then ours for hand to hand combat. The only thing I believe they lack in is weapons. There weapons are advancing rapidly, but ours are suppose to be a tad bit better. Nuclear weapons will be out of the question if worst comes to worst and they invade us, if we protect Taiwan. Considering it would be a loose loose situation. They fire one at us, we fire one back. No winners...

Iraq isn't helping ours and taiwan's defense either. I was for invading Iraq, and I still stand by that. But we are side tracked with that. And moving troops half way across the world is no easy task.

There's my two cents atleast! :)

At the risk of repeating myself from other threads, may I point out that the US was the cheerleader for Globalisation. It wanted it, it almost demanded it. Now it's got it and China wants to play by American rules, but the US doesn't want China to play. So, if that little non-game keeps up, China will draw the conclusion that the West isn't interested in proper trading and it might as well do what it wants, when it wants..........like maybe invade Taiwan. If one cares to study modern Chinese history for a while, one discovers that China honours its international commitments and obligations. Unlike a few western countries.
Western commentators should try and understand why China demands that Taiwan returns to the fold. Americans can choose to interfere but they're messing in a basically internal dispute which can be guaranteed to rile any nation. I wonder what arms the US has and has had ranged against the sovereign state of Cuba?
What Chinese and Russian armies do on their own land is their business. I don't suppose the old Soviet Union was too keen on the US & UK holding war games all along the Soviet border during the cold war. I don't suppose China is over joyous at the US selling India and Pakistan high tech weaponry.
Of course China resents with a passion, Americas military support and supply of arms to Taiwan. Let's see now, how would Washington react if China sold Cuba a several hundred Migs, tanks, missiles and ships?
The Chinese army is the largest standing army in the world. And obviously, it has almost limitless reserves. However, it is clumsy, antiquated and apart from a few thousand specialist troops, not fit for modern combat. For the Chinese army and airforce to begin to rival America and Europe, huge investments have to be made over the coming decades. Even then, it could only become a regional 'super-power'. The imminent rise of a powerful China is just the latest scare tactic of the Americans, designed to keep their own 'defence' budget at high levels. Even if China has already decided to compete with the West militarily, it would take well into the mid 21st century before it could project its power significantly. Having said all that, China is not a paper tiger. It's likely to be able to challenge Japan and the US in the region within 30 years, but that's a long time and the domestic situation is unlikely to remain stable as Chinas wealth increases. If the Chinese government hopes to retain power, it will need to pump vast amounts of money into its infrastructure to keep its people 'docile'.
In 1962, China and India went to war over land that was held by India but claimed by China. The PLA fairly easily dislodge the Indians and beat back their reinforcements. At one stage, China even halted and offered to negotiate. India refused and eventually China took part of the disputed territories. Then the PLA stopped. It had no desire to grab Indian territory though it could easily have done so. In 1997, Hong Kong reverted baqck from British control to Chinese. China could have 'walked in' any time after 1950, but honoured its international treaty. It's a mistake to see China through exclusively western eyes.

[Common Sence]

Hey.

I had a Chinese friend who tought me a bit' of mandarin....not enough though.
There is quite a bit of content over on this thread...MILITARY DISCUSSIONS, ARMIES OF THE WORLD, LARGEST ARMY. There's some real nonsence in there too, so don't be offended if you someone being an idiot.

Who are we (the west) to tell an empire that is thousands of years old that they are wrong.

Welcome to the forum.

[kurusch]

Consider these July news items and try and explain to me that China is a threat to the West. From a Chinese view, they are surrounded by potentially hostile nations, well armed and supplied by the US and other western nations. It must be obvious to even the casual reader that China is the 'threatened' eastern power.
And look carefully at the last story. To see China as a credible threat to the West or its Asian / Oriental allies, is nonsense.


Raytheon Integrated Defense Systems in Sudbury, MA received a $752 million cost-plus award-fee, firm fixed price contract to provide Taiwan with elements of a missile and air defense capability. Specifically, this system includes a Ultra High Frequency phased array radar integrated with Taiwan-furnished Identification Friend-or-Foe beacons, two Missile Warning Centers, and communications and interface architecture and protocols connecting the systems to specified Taiwan mission elements via the Taiwan military communications infrastructure.

This effort is consistent with United States government restrictions. Solicitation began December 2004, and work will be complete by September 2009. The Headquarters Electronic Systems Center at Hanscom Air Force Base, MA issued the contract (FA8722-05-C-0001).
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Japan's Defense Agency Chief Yoshinori Ohno says Japan has completed the joint technology research stage on a missile defense system it has been researching with the United States, and will include several billion yen (tens of millions of dollars) in its next fiscal year budget to start developing the system.

Kyodo News also quotes him as saying they would also like to expand the scope of the missile defense system, so it will have the capability to respond to decoys that are used to avoid anti-missile interceptors.

Production will begin following a five-year development phase that ends in fiscal 2011, but Ohno also stressed the need to develop and produce the interceptor missiles as soon as possible. Ohno said Japan and the United States would jointly carry out the first missile interception test for the sea-based Standard Missile 3 interceptor next March in Hawaii. Agence France-Presse: Japan Aims to Start Missile Defense Development with U.S.
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The United States has concluded a deal to allow Japan to license produce Lockheed Martin's Patriot PAC-3 surface-to-air missiles which will constitute the core of a joint missile defense system. The PAC-3 is the USA's most modern ground-based air defense system.

The Asahi Shimbun newspaper reported that the two governments sealed a memorandum of understanding in March 2005 on the licensed production of Patriot Advanced Capability 3 (PAC-3) interceptor missiles, and Lockheed Martin Corp. is expected to sign a contract before March 2006 to license Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. for PAC-3 production. At the same time, Japan has also said that foreign export of such weapons may be considered under certain circumstances.

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The Government of Japan has requested a possible sale of nine SM-3 Block IA Standard missiles with MK 21 Mod 2 canisters, Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) upgrades to one AEGIS Radar & weapon control system, AEGIS BMD Vertical Launch System ordnance alternations (ORDALTs), containers, spare and repair parts, publications, documentation, supply support, U.S. Government and contractor technical assistance and other related elements of logistics support. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $387 million.

The AEGIS Weapon System and Standard missiles will be used on Japan Maritime Self Defense Forces ships and will provide, in concert with Japan Self Defense Forces PAC-3 Patriot missiles, the initial ballistic missile defense for mainland Japan.


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Defense Minister Pranab Mukherjee opened the first phase of India's giant western naval base INS Kadamba in Karwar, Karnataka state, on May 31, saying it would protect the country's Arabian Sea maritime routes. Kadamba will become India's third operational naval base after Mumbai and Visakhapatnam. Also taking part in the commissioning were six frontline Indian naval ships, including frigates and destroyers. They were detached from the flotilla of 12 vessels that are presently taking part in routine exercises in the Arabian Sea.

The Kadamba base is being built in the southern state as part of India's ambitious RUP 350 billion (USD $8.13 billion) "Project Seabird," which will include the naval base plus an air force station, a naval armament depot, and missile silos when it is completed in the next five years. Mr. Mukherjee admitted that the project had to overcome many impediments since it was sanctioned by the government in 1985 (it was originally slated for completion in 1995).


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The defense ministers of the United States and India signed a 10-year agreement Tuesday paving the way for stepped up military ties, including joint weapons production and cooperation on missile defense.

Titled the "New Framework for the US-India Defense Relationship" (NFDR) and signed on Monday by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Defense Minister Pranab Mukherjee, the agreement is vastly more expansive that the Next Steps in Strategic Partnership (NSSP) and builds on the January 1995 Agreed Minute on Defense Relations between the two countries.

[natedawg]

why dont u guys jus step out and say the chinese are the most powerful force in the world. geez from what i see you treat them like their gods or somethin. personally i think the chinese are large and shouldnt be underestimated but they're not that good

[Texas]

why dont u guys jus step out and say the chinese are the most powerful force in the world. geez from what i see you treat them like their gods or somethin. personally i think the chinese are large and shouldnt be underestimated but they're not that good

From watching the news in America and Europe .America is the only one that see's China as a global threat ,nobody else .
We must always be ready to defend ourselves .But to be constantly in a state of paranoia, looking for the next enemy is a bit much don't you think? China doesn't see the US as a threat .Any anamosity it holds ,it aims at Japan ,and with good reason !

[natedawg]

exactly :cool:

[Common Sence]

Being Japan would be miserable.
You know the American's are willing to Nuke ya', when push comes to shove, and you know that the Chinese would like to. Even though neither needs to to win.
That would be like Canada being at odds with Russia and America. Now, geographically that sounds stupid...but if you over the top of the planet...Canada is in the middle.
Poor Japan.

[Texas]

Being Japan would be miserable.
You know the American's are willing to Nuke ya', when push comes to shove, and you know that the Chinese would like to. Even though neither needs to to win.
That would be like Canada being at odds with Russia and America. Now, geographically that sounds stupid...but if you over the top of the planet...Canada is in the middle.
Poor Japan.

If Japan had apologised for war crimes committed against the chinese to begin with and meant it . China may have been more forgiving . The Japanese only have themselves to blame .
Canada ?????hmmmmmmm!!!! Didn't you guys commit war crimes two hundred years ago against Americans .Burn the white house down etc ??? :eek: ;)

[natedawg]

Being Japan would be miserable.
You know the American's are willing to Nuke ya', when push comes to shove, and you know that the Chinese would like to. Even though neither needs to to win.
That would be like Canada being at odds with Russia and America. Now, geographically that sounds stupid...but if you over the top of the planet...Canada is in the middle.
Poor Japan.


ok america is not in hostility with japan so i dont know what that "Nuke ya" comment was about

[Texas]

ok america is not in hostility with japan so i dont know what that "Nuke ya" comment was about

He`s talking about Hiroshima ,Nagasaki .....

[Common Sence]

Thnks Tex. That is exactly what I'm talking about.

I didn't want to mention that the good Canadians burnt down the Whitehouse. That's a chapter that is becomeing more myth than history...despite it's accuracy. hehe
We're friends now.

[Texas]

Thnks Tex. That is exactly what I'm talking about.

I didn't want to mention that the good Canadians burnt down the Whitehouse. That's a chapter that is becomeing more myth than history...despite it's accuracy. hehe
We're friends now.

If in doubt blame it on the British :rolleyes:

[kurusch]

The War of 1812

When Great Britain and France went to war again in 1803 with renewed vigor, the United States sought to remain neutral while pursuing overseas trade. This proved difficult, and the United States finally declared war on Great Britain—the War of 1812. Not hopeful of defeating the Royal Navy at sea, the U.S. attacked the Empire by invading Canada. The War of 1812 ended as a stalemate between the United States and Great Britain in 1815.

The United States launched invasions of the Canadian provinces in 1812 and 1813, but the borders were successfully defended by British and American Indian forces. The United States gained the upper hand in the American Indian part of war with victories at the Battle of the Thames in October 1813 and the Battle of Horseshoe Bend in March 1814, but by this time Napoleon had been defeated in Europe, and the British were finally able to divert more resources to North America. British invasions of American territory resulted in the burning of Washington, D.C. and the capture of part of the District of Maine, but the British counteroffensive was turned back at Lake Champlain, Baltimore, and New Orleans. The Treaty of Ghent (ratified in 1815) restored the status quo ante bellum between the combatants.

And now the US and UK are each others closest and most effective ally. Ironies of history.

[Texas]

The War of 1812

When Great Britain and France went to war again in 1803 with renewed vigor, the United States sought to remain neutral while pursuing overseas trade. This proved difficult, and the United States finally declared war on Great Britain—the War of 1812. Not hopeful of defeating the Royal Navy at sea, the U.S. attacked the Empire by invading Canada. The War of 1812 ended as a stalemate between the United States and Great Britain in 1815.

The United States launched invasions of the Canadian provinces in 1812 and 1813, but the borders were successfully defended by British and American Indian forces. The United States gained the upper hand in the American Indian part of war with victories at the Battle of the Thames in October 1813 and the Battle of Horseshoe Bend in March 1814, but by this time Napoleon had been defeated in Europe, and the British were finally able to divert more resources to North America. British invasions of American territory resulted in the burning of Washington, D.C. and the capture of part of the District of Maine, but the British counteroffensive was turned back at Lake Champlain, Baltimore, and New Orleans. The Treaty of Ghent (ratified in 1815) restored the status quo ante bellum between the combatants.

And now the US and UK are each others closest and most effective ally. Ironies of history.

Thanks for that Kurusch .I know a bit about this period ,its not detailed enough though .

[kurusch]

Until I checked my facts I didn't realise that America declared war on GB, I always thought it was the reverse. I learn something every day.

Is this a winning combination or what?
http://www.sergeantsmess.co.uk/ishop/images/1055/sgtt011.jpg

[ozzi-solja]

call me a dickhead, but whos's the middle flag??

wow, i conversation over American history resulting from a discussion of the Chinese Army, you guys must get bored pretty fast. mybe its because i havent been here to keep the arguements flowing:)

anyways, back to the original forum points.

I like the Chinese, despite the fact that they are a large, often imperialistic mob of commies. For that, they have balls. Balls to stand up in the world and say 'I'm i communist nation, and it works for me!'

Hell, the Chinese have an economy that will rival the US within the next 5-10 years, probably sooner.

As for they army, conscription is apparently regular, but not everyone eligiable IS conscipted. Mostly volunteers as i understand. Obviously there are three million men and women in the Chinese military that believe that China is something worth fighting for. God Bless 'em.

[kurusch]

call me a dickhead, but whos's the middle flag??

wow, i conversation over American history resulting from a discussion of the Chinese Army, you guys must get bored pretty fast. mybe its because i havent been here to keep the arguements flowing:)

anyways, back to the original forum points.

I like the Chinese, despite the fact that they are a large, often imperialistic mob of commies. For that, they have balls. Balls to stand up in the world and say 'I'm i communist nation, and it works for me!'

Hell, the Chinese have an economy that will rival the US within the next 5-10 years, probably sooner.

As for they army, conscription is apparently regular, but not everyone eligiable IS conscipted. Mostly volunteers as i understand. Obviously there are three million men and women in the Chinese military that believe that China is something worth fighting for. God Bless 'em.


That's the English flag, the Cross of St. George, as opposed to the UK Union Jack.
The Chinese have little history of Imperialism. The fact that they are communists makes them neither good nor bad, just different. As you say 'It works for me'. The Chinese economy is unlikely to be near the US for another 30-40 years. And that's assuming their society doesn't implode, which is a possibility.

[Texas]

Until I checked my facts I didn't realise that America declared war on GB, I always thought it was the reverse. I learn something every day.

Is this a winning combination or what?
http://www.sergeantsmess.co.uk/ishop/images/1055/sgtt011.jpg

Nice colour scheme! .I`ll translate for the Americans ....... Nice color scheme!

[kurusch]

Nice colour scheme! .I`ll translate for the Americans ....... Nice color scheme!

Naughty...........

[Texas]

Naughty...........

I said it with a smile though ! :)

[kurusch]

I said it with a smile though ! :)


UGH!

http://www.shalabahter.info/flashmail/Smile.jpg

[SoldierofAmerica]

Holy Crap! :eek:

[Texas]

UGH!

http://www.shalabahter.info/flashmail/Smile.jpg
I hate to be rude Kurusch but you might consider a trip to the dentist !!! ;)

[kurusch]

I hate to be rude Kurusch but you might consider a trip to the dentist !!! ;)

No probs, I'm using industrial strength floss now.

[SoldierofAmerica]

Parachute lines I hope...

[natedawg]

hahaha lol

[Texas]

No probs, I'm using industrial strength floss now.


FLOSS ??? I think you need a ****in road drill lad !!!!! ;)

[kurusch]

Official announcement:

Any rumours that the dentally challenged man portrayed is me, is vehemently denied. My teeth are white and sparkle like burnished white gold in the morning sunlight.

And here they are to prove it, fresh from the glass.
http://www.central.doncaster.sch.uk/images/balby%20sept04/Balby%20Central%20Oct%202004%20(26).jpg

[Texas]

Official announcement:

Any rumours that the dentally challenged man portrayed is me, is vehemently denied. My teeth are white and sparkle like burnished white gold in the morning sunlight.

And here they are to prove it, fresh from the glass.
http://www.central.doncaster.sch.uk/images/balby%20sept04/Balby%20Central%20Oct%202004%20(26).jpg

Toothless Basterd !!!!!
Are you speech less Now?

[kurusch]

No ****ing chance!

http://www.belikeme.us/Toothless-dad--weed.gif

[Texas]

No ****ing chance!

http://www.belikeme.us/Toothless-dad--weed.gif

ERRR! No!!!!

[kurusch]

No pleasing some people.

[ZackAttack23693]

china > world
its only a matter of time before they snap and start invading places like taiwan.personally i feel bad for japan,china gunna want some revenge for what the japs did to the chinese and other surrounding countries in WWII

[futer_soldier]

']umm.. its large? :D
some interesting tech and stuff.. ( 5.8x42mm QBZ-95 assault rifle for example)
but this subject is not too much about politics..

correct very large indeed but arnt they going to invade Tiwan and if so why the hell are they doing that?

[Clive]

For me it boils down to this,
If China wants to go and start invading countries and embarking on some conquest, we'll fight them. Or they could play nice and stay put and just be happy. I'm betting they'll do the former. They have the power, the capability, and the desire. My guess, 15-20 years before all-out war. Many military officers and analysts agree with this time frame. And if they attack, I plan to stop them or die trying. Freedom is for the world, not just for the US. We're not going to let China trample Taiwan. If Taiwan wants our help, by God we'll give it. Bottom line: China and USA can be buddies our enemies, it's in China's court.