11-21-2006, 01:14 AM
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There Is No Lesson To Something That Is Worthless
This Is Worthless
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11-21-2006, 02:04 PM
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Well Sauli.... Jeez, thanks for the education, I knew I was missing the class on how to fight Ts.....  Glad I logged on tonight!!...  An interesting way to introduce yourself... anyway, your post has mixed points of correctness and incorrectness so allow me to educate you in return...
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Lesson One: Negotiation will not resolve the event. The use of negotiation as a tactic should only last long enough to plan and initiate an assault. All other time wasted on negotiation should be considered an investment in the death of hostages.
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Not as simple as that.. It depends on your Terrorist.... It is true that certain Radical Sects of Islam do have any intentions of surrender, and negotiation is often used as a stall to plan a tactical assault to free hostages.... British SAS assault on Iranian embassy in 80s or German GSG9 Assault on a hijacked Passanger plan in Somilia around the same time are too examples of this. On the other hand Irish ERU (Irish SWAT) used non lethal force to subdue Palestian Jihaddis who took over the Palestinian consultate armed with knives.... Know your Ts... However, if the Ts (not neccessarily Islamic) are financial orientated, deals can be done quietly..... and the situation can be defused safely and without force of arms... Always have plan B ready though....
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Originally Posted by saulbejarano
Lesson Two: Terrorists would rather die than be arrested. Therefore, we as law enforcement have to insure that they die as efficiently as possible and while allowing the deaths of as few hostages as possible. We have to remember that we are in a customer service oriented profession. If the terrorist wants to die, it's our job to grant his wish. Personally, because of the Islamic terrorists' belief structure, I'd prefer to kill them with pork-filled hollow-point bullets, thus insuring that they don't get to the paradise they think is waiting. If we can educate them in advance about this ammunition, we may actually get them to kill themselves when we assault rather than allowing us to deprive them of paradise.
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One again, dont generalise your Ts.... sarcasm can be unhealthy in large amounts, and insulting 1.3 billion people for 20/30 thousand active Jihaddas will acheive nothing positive.... as I said, lethal force most always be ready when approaching a situation, but its not the weapon of effective choice, good intel is.... so get your Intel right, ID your targets, and develop a strategy upto and if neccessary the use of lethal force.... anything else is unprofessional....
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Lesson Three: If the terrorists wait as long in between HUGE attacks like they did in between the first and second attacks on the World Trade Center, we have about another five years to "spin up" for a siege type event. Reality is quite different: our governmental agencies are defeating planned and potential terrorist attacks every day. Those prevented attacks don't make the news and I'm happy for that. It denies the terrorists media explosure. We don't have five years. We may not have one year. We are already behind the curve and we'd better start getting our act together NOW.
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Finally, one completely correct point.... yes, point in question being the Truck Bombing in the Trade Centre, where Ali Yosef was implicated in it was an serious attempt, which succeeded in its goals.... nobody should assume that Ts wait X amount of years to stike at targets... thats incorrect.. however NOBODY should live in fear of Ts... as your Rosevelt said "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself".... Give into Ts by fearing them and they have won... live you life free and the way you want, and you win... simple....
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Lesson Four: The whole world has to be made to realize - even if it is simply through restructuring the terms we use to discuss terrorism - that Wahhabist Muslims are NOT fighting a holy war. They are committing crimes in the name of their god (Allah) and those crimes shall not go unpunished anywhere on the planet. I'm not one to advocate the criminalization of any religion, but there are exceptions: if we can document the attendance of any person at a known terrorist training camp, then that person should be identified as an international criminal and a bounty posted. All known terrorist training camps around the world should be bombed out of existence. When a new one is identified, it should be bombed out of existence within a few hours. "Collateral damage" is going to occur. Innocents are going to die. That is the choice of the terrorists and their families. It's not our responsibility to save them from themselves and their choices. It's our responsibility to protect America and American citizens.
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Dude, theres no such thing as a "Holy War" anybody whos being near any war will tell you that... The Crusades were no different in their falsehood then the "Holy War" these lunatics of Islam are fighting now. Any IDd T camp should be targeted by the nation where the camp is at... if they dont have the strike ability, then they ask for help... thats the way it should done.... I am sure the US would oblige with a couple of F16s... Unilaterial action as you must see know is doomed to failure.... or at best get bogged down and head towards it...
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Lesson Five: Any terrorist event that does not present an on-going threat to the general public should receive a media blackout until its conclusion. I say again: If the news coverage isn't necessary to protect the public, then a media blackout should be enforced. The news media should be permitted to remain at the perimeter and should receive continuing briefs so that they stay informed. However, to be there every media representative's network / publisher should have to agree NOT to distribute ANY information until the event is ended. In this way, we limit the amount of press exposure any terrorist event can receive and deny the terrorist a huge part of what they want as part of their goal.
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Yes, Media coverage of the Ts should be stopped, its what they want and it builds their cause... Actions against the Ts should remain quiet, cos thats the best way to have it... ongoing success breaking down the heirarchies of the Ts organisation structure.... thats were progress in conventional Anti Terrorism terms is gained...
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porkbullets.... nice way to get the moderate Muslims on board... (I Jest!!)....
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11-22-2006, 11:54 PM
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I like the title
Hey pell great posting, I even set my username to the title of your posting.
If there's a way to kill a rat is with poison.
I hate rats, I think I can smell a rat right here.
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11-23-2006, 01:01 PM
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Thanks
You muslims think of yourselves as the top of the cream, double-faced because you do not really care if it is a terrorist or not if it is serving the purpose of allah you will harbor and help the guy any so called infidel right?
How stupid you have to be to believe on 70 virgins to get to paradise, that should serve us to understand the type of ignorants we are dealing with.
We are a culture of life, we love life and find it so precious that we try to preserve it even the ones of our enemies in the war field, if you think that at any point westerns are afraid or sorry or even worry about the way things are presented just keep pushing the envelope and you will see the reaction.
Before lecturing me, flight a little bit, go around the world and see europeans faces and comments toward MUSLIMS in the world.
We post a caricature of your idols and the entire muslim world is outraged.
Your people beheads americans and civilians and that is ok right?
Well let me tell you something.
I hope muslims find they're way around with the growing-up procedure that a religion takes.
your religion appeared 700 years after christians and you have 700 years to learn how to grow and understanding the way to leave in a shared world, the key of success is RESPECT, learn to respect other people that has the same rights, because somebody told you since you were a child that you are the special ones come on special for what? I kindda love the way Israel keeps you in place with our help or without or help israel has kicked your butts for the past 30 years and I love it, it is so painful for you people to see that and have to live that in a day by day that really blurs your vision of the real world.
If it was not for oil you will be selling us Camels and Sheeps because there is nothing else to export from Middle east,... ahh forgot Dates 
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Wooohooo..... John Wayne is in the house... well that gave me a real belly laugh for sure... Youre a real life American Jackass!!.. Arnt you!!... Luckily, your countrymen on this forum regularly show me that the majority of Americans actually do have common sense, and a brain... Also, I have worked with Americans including your Marine Force Recon and know your Army Rangers too, so I can say you are protected by men who have superior intelligence and common sense to you, and they also "Look before they leap!".... hint hint!!... Anyway, I am sure at this stage, you are high on the smell of your own bull**** post, so I will answer you in simple point format, on "points" you raised going down your post....
1. Well John Wayne, you went looking for a Gunfight with a Muslim, and you found a Roman Catholic instead.... IDIOT!!!....
2. I dont refer to Anybody as an infidel, the Crusades finished in the 12th century... Im not that old!!...
3. I dont believe 70 Virgins await me in paradise, cos I prefer more experienced women.... haha.... Leaving sarcasm aside for one BRIEF minute, 70 Virgins in Paradise is a mataphor in the QuoRan, which Islamic Fundamentalists have perverted for their own jihad purposes... True Islam forbids the use of offensive force against anybody, and shows heaven as a place of lush paradise where youth is eternal, etc, etc, etc.... thats the context of the Virgins extract..... its propaganda to fuel the ignorant into perverted jihad... Interestingly, True Islam insists that each individual is responsible for their actions through their lifetime and Allah will judge them accordingly on the cumulative actions of their life time.... All Jihaddis by this belief ALONE are screwed!!...
4. I believe you when you say Ordinary Americans honour life and try to preserve it on the battlefield.... Outside of unintentional Blue on Blue and the occasional war crime, theres nothing to say otherwise, I know it sounds sarcastic, but the US has had issues with soldiers carrying out ratalitary actions by shooting civilians in village for IED fatalities.... Good news is for the size of the US force there, its VERY small in occurances.... Bad news is your civilian leaders dont give **** about the culture of life you speak off... Your real heros are your military leaders, who do their damnest to keep the death count down, and protect their men at the same time.... I salute them!!...
5. I have being to UK, European Mainland, Middle East, America and Canada, so thank you, I have "flight a little bit", so I am happy to continue lecturing you... As for how Muslims are viewed, same as everybody else in most places, I think its you who needs to readjust your opinion there pal!...
6. Irishmen never beheaded anybody over the internet MORAN!!... They are "my people!"
7. Islam is NOT MY RELIGON!!.... IDIOT!!... Islam started in 622AD not 700AD, I think I gave you too must credit in my first post!!!.....
8. Mutual respect is a cornerstone of Islam, and Catholicism. You should try it sometime.... maybe you wouldnt get such a hostile response!!.. Secondly, Fundamentalists are easily identified by the lack of respect for the beliefs of others, without this ingrained arrogance, they would be near to impossible to detect.... You can see it in their eyes.... Useful at checkpoints for sure....
7. Israel does not keep "us in our place!"... We know the Israelis well, their ******* bully boy tactics trying to mow down UN soldiers to burn Lebanese Villages... However, if your once again misplaced comments are meant to mean Arabs, then let me give you a dose of Reality... the MIGHTLY ISRAELI ARMY was defeated by Hezbollah.... was it high tech weaponry... NO, was it Close air support? No It was the simple fact that IDF Soldiers cannot fight Close quarter, and Hezbollah which WE IRISH know oh so well, are very good at close quarters... IDF are a shambles as a fighting force, so get some new heros champ, your current ones are lame ducks!!..
8. Oh yea, good one, Camels and Dates.... very good.... Im from Ireland *******!!... did you not read "LOCATION - DUBLIN IRELAND"... I suppose you think thats beside Iraq... look it up champ, its off the Coast of Europe... you did hear of Europe before... didnt you??....
I trust I have made my point!!....
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11-23-2006, 01:05 PM
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Hey pell great posting, I even set my username to the title of your posting.
If there's a way to kill a rat is with poison.
I hate rats, I think I can smell a rat right here.
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Oh now its all making sense now... porkbelly!! The only thing your smelling is the aroma of your own bull****... if you want to be a lemming and follow somebody blindly, pick somebody else then John Wayne, cos hes an idiot!!... Maybe you are too, and just dont know it... in that case! Great job Jackass!!... keep up the good work!!
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11-24-2006, 01:52 AM
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I do not believe in your god
Actually, if you are a Christen, you do believe in the same god. Muslims trace their roots to Abraham's son Ismael. And the most quoted prophet in the Quran is Jesus. Jesus is also the highest regarded prophet after Muhammed in the Muslim religion. To them Jesus is not the son of god but god's prophet. So again, IF you are a Christen you do believe in the same god, as Allah and Yahweh are one and the same. Try reading the Bible sometimes and the Quran both make for excellent reading. And no I am not a Muslim, I do not belong to any organized religous school of thought.
and I do not go around praying in corners you live with god inside not to show the world that your god is unique, STOP presenting yourselves as idiots to the world.
What makes going to Mass on Sundays any better? Catholics mourning their religion, Protestants jumping around and singing. Not to mention the Evangelists on TV who treat their religion like a damn infomercial. No, you're right Christianity is so much better. Actually the only Christen sect who practices the religion closest to what it was during the time the Apostales spread the word is the Ethiopian Church. If you're so sure in your faith at least follow it in what is closest to it's original format.
Learn how to live as part of the world not as the rulers and learn to cope with your missery
Out of 1.3 billion Muslims world wide about 30% of them subscribe to the radicalized view of Islam. Indeed the number is high. Yet the radicals do fall in the minority.
because with all the oil in this world none of your countries get to move forward if not for Arab Emirates and Jordan that are managed by kingdoms.
Jordan and the United Arab Emirates have Muslims in their population who subscribe to radical views aswell. It's all over the Muslim world. In it's also in Europe at a high rate and surprise, surprise, we have it here in the U.S. aswell.
If not by the sword you do not know how to live in piece that is obvious.
Ohhhhh. How history fades from the mind. Do you recall any lessons from school about the actions of the Catholic Church? And 200 years of spreading Christianity by the sword called the Crusades?
Stop trying to fool people. YOU ARE MUSLIM JUST YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT, CHECK WITH YOUR MOM SHE MAY TELL YOU THE TRUE!
I'm an American. I do not subscribe to any religous school of thought, as to me all organized religions are tools to control the population. True they produce some good like instilling moral values but it doesn't take a man made doctrine to tell me things like murder, lying, stealing ect... are wrong. I have studied religions all my life and I see them for what they are. I am a future U.S. Sailor and I will take the fight to ALL of America's enemies when called upon to do so. I am disgusted by the views of radical Islam. I support Bush in the Global War on Terror. I support the wars in Afganistan, Iraq, and all the other actions the U.S. has taken during the Global War on Terror in countries like Colombia, the Phillippines, the Horn of Africa, Thailand, Indonesia ect... What I have a problem with is statements that generalize and stereotype as you have done. Oh and my mom, she is a Roman Catholic.
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11-24-2006, 06:28 AM
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8. Oh yea, good one, Camels and Dates.... very good.... Im from Ireland *******!!... did you not read "LOCATION - DUBLIN IRELAND"... I suppose you think thats beside Iraq... look it up champ, its off the Coast of Europe... you did hear of Europe before... didnt you??....
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11-24-2006, 02:06 PM
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lol.........
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11-24-2006, 02:07 PM
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Glad to see you are finally realising the value of your own posts!!.....
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11-25-2006, 03:45 PM
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Trying to tell an Ex-Irish solider how to deal with Ts..........is like trying to tell a maths teacher how to divide.......in other words he knows.......Ireland is the most experienced western country when it comes to counter terrorisum.....then maybe the UK.........why dont you send Ricky Haton an E-mail explaining to him how to punch
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