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Bad media influencing opposition of the war?
I was just curious as to what everyone thought regarding the media's coverage of the war, do you feel that there is such opposition towards the war in Iraq and Afghanistan due to the media's one sided coverage of the war on terror and the war to give some stability to Iraq.
I really feel like all the one sided coverage of the war has been the reason that alot of people are so against it, the media releases numbers of American troops that have died in Iraq/Afghanistan, but they don't say what percentage was friendly fire or heat exhaustion or already existing medical issues. I think if there was more positive feedback of what was going on in the war by the field journalists it would be a good way to support our troops instead of the political statements they are trying to make by overwhelmingly airing footage regarding deathtolls. Alot of good things have been done by our troops overseas, it's just a shame that the media rarely airs footage about it.
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01-29-2007, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Joel
I was just curious as to what everyone thought regarding the media's coverage of the war, do you feel that there is such opposition towards the war in Iraq and Afghanistan due to the media's one sided coverage of the war on terror and the war to give some stability to Iraq.
I really feel like all the one sided coverage of the war has been the reason that alot of people are so against it, the media releases numbers of American troops that have died in Iraq/Afghanistan, but they don't say what percentage was friendly fire or heat exhaustion or already existing medical issues. I think if there was more positive feedback of what was going on in the war by the field journalists it would be a good way to support our troops instead of the political statements they are trying to make by overwhelmingly airing footage regarding deathtolls. Alot of good things have been done by our troops overseas, it's just a shame that the media rarely airs footage about it.
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Its no secret that the US Media are very biased, and are very Pro Bush. Its only natural that people who normally would be unpolitic minded get political due to their freedom of press being incroached on by the Govt. However, I feel that the media should be cut out not into the war, as access to troops/and operations is foolhardy... you can say they dont give anything away, but I have gained great insight into US operations through though the Media... thats just wrong... US/UK need every edge they can get, and News at 5 only serves to freighten Army Moms, and provide intel to the enemy... thats my view anyway....
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01-29-2007, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Joel
I was just curious as to what everyone thought regarding the media's coverage of the war, do you feel that there is such opposition towards the war in Iraq and Afghanistan due to the media's one sided coverage of the war on terror and the war to give some stability to Iraq.
I really feel like all the one sided coverage of the war has been the reason that alot of people are so against it, the media releases numbers of American troops that have died in Iraq/Afghanistan, but they don't say what percentage was friendly fire or heat exhaustion or already existing medical issues. I think if there was more positive feedback of what was going on in the war by the field journalists it would be a good way to support our troops instead of the political statements they are trying to make by overwhelmingly airing footage regarding deathtolls. Alot of good things have been done by our troops overseas, it's just a shame that the media rarely airs footage about it.
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I agree! When I was in Iraq the news coverage really didn't match up to what we were doing on a daily basis.
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01-29-2007, 12:31 PM
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I agree! When I was in Iraq the news coverage really didn't match up to what we were doing on a daily basis.
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It rarely does, hightlights are all the folks get, like when you go into action.... wrong to broadcast it... it serves to heighten anxiety amongst the nation and provides intel for the enemy...
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01-30-2007, 12:14 PM
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It rarely does, hightlights are all the folks get, like when you go into action.... wrong to broadcast it... it serves to heighten anxiety amongst the nation and provides intel for the enemy...
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Too right Exo........Im glad i never had any members of the Media around me in 2003....to theres more bad things then good with their presents.......the news dosnt really grasp the reality and never will..........i told my family not to watch it when i was in Iraq
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01-30-2007, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Exo1
Its no secret that the US Media are very biased, and are very Pro Bush. Its only natural that people who normally would be unpolitic minded get political due to their freedom of press being incroached on by the Govt. However, I feel that the media should be cut out not into the war, as access to troops/and operations is foolhardy... you can say they dont give anything away, but I have gained great insight into US operations through though the Media... thats just wrong... US/UK need every edge they can get, and News at 5 only serves to freighten Army Moms, and provide intel to the enemy... thats my view anyway....
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http://washingtontimes.com/national/...2955-3604r.htm
Actually Exo1, the media is actually very liberal and tends to be anti-Bush. Your argument doesnt make sense. How, by neglecting all the positive information and reporting all the bad help the Bush administation?
Mr. Exo1, you are usually very fair and accurate. But this time its not a matter of opinion that makes you wrong....Its fact.
You cant win em all.
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01-31-2007, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jrj100
Too right Exo........Im glad i never had any members of the Media around me in 2003....to theres more bad things then good with their presents.......the news dosnt really grasp the reality and never will..........i told my family not to watch it when i was in Iraq
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Its the only way bro... they news teams only pick up the action and highlights, which are normally the fighting... or going to a fight, showing tactical formations, small formation lay outs, fighting tactics and weapons deployment in small to medium range engagements.... gold dust for the enemy... traumatising for the watchers back home... and I thought one of the reasons for professional soldiers was so the hearts of the everyday Joe would not be heardened by war... well, Fox News and CNN are doing a fine job of torpedoing that noble notion.
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01-31-2007, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JBMcCain
http://washingtontimes.com/national/...2955-3604r.htm
Actually Exo1, the media is actually very liberal and tends to be anti-Bush. Your argument doesnt make sense. How, by neglecting all the positive information and reporting all the bad help the Bush administation?
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You raise some very commonly held points here, and allow me to answer them. If we care to neglet the battles faught and won with in combat cameras, we maybe considered negletful of positive facts... but it the whole coverage of the war I have a problem with..... Its graphic and shows a side of war soldiers only previous new (along with locals of course), but nevertheless showing actual incombat divulges tactics to the enemy and heightens anxiety in a nation who is already targeted by fictional progaganda showing Terrorist Stikes such as "Jericho" and "Sleeper Cell"... you cant tell me they were allowed to air cos of fairplay... Also, an international study looked at your press and found it to be very biased in favour of the government, US was 54th in the International Poll... I hail from Ireland who was joint 7th with Finland.... we pride ourselves on fair and impartial media which is culturally acceptable to us....To close out my point, I have a problem with the whole mechanics of war coverage... Its and Intel Leak and Heightens anxiety in home nations... If the US want to really serve their interests, I recommend they go to a more impartial and accurate mechanics of war news coverage and go back to the Desert Storm coverage, which was not perfect, but not as biased as the media you have today.
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Mr. Exo1, you are usually very fair and accurate. But this time its not a matter of opinion that makes you wrong....Its fact.
You cant win em all.
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Very True, I surely cant win em all, and thanks for the compliment, but please refer to my above section of post, where I believe I am being impartial and accurate.. It makes no difference to me from my seat if it happens or not, but I do believe the US are shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to information management through mass media and especially on the Iraqi war. I may seem biased to a good man like yourself who is exposed to the mass media we talk about here, but I would ask you to consider what others think and see about US media coverage of the war.... upon consideration, would like to hear your thoughts...
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01-31-2007, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Exo1
Very True, I surely cant win em all, and thanks for the compliment, but please refer to my above section of post, where I believe I am being impartial and accurate.. It makes no difference to me from my seat if it happens or not, but I do believe the US are shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to information management through mass media and especially on the Iraqi war. I may seem biased to a good man like yourself who is exposed to the mass media we talk about here, but I would ask you to consider what others think and see about US media coverage of the war.... upon consideration, would like to hear your thoughts...
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My rebuttle sir,
1. Please provide a link to the study you are talking about. Not because I think your lying or anything. You certainly dont seem to stoop to such levels! But for fairness.
1. A. Considering that study if applicable, I can understand the average 5 o' clock news that will get its information from Goverment sources, as per reasons for that bias. But your forgetting many other sources of information. Such as newspapers, magazines, talkshows(those vile women on The View..), movies and music. Such media offers the point of view of those who are presenting the information through their own personal prisms. Studies show that these "presenters" usually tend be more liberal. This isn't always a bad thing, questioning goverment can be a very good thing, especially when those in power want to expand goverment. (Pelosi, Reid).
2. I take into consideration the points of those who claim the Global media is biased. Now, this is a lofty claim, but within their claims lies a scary amount of truth. They are those in other countries who still think Micheal Moore's movie are 100% true.
3. Your point about the TV shows showing terrorist with Nuclear attacks. Well first off, the first mini series or movie I saw about that came from G.B. I forget what it was called.I think Colm Meany was in it. It dealt with a dirty nuclear Bomb in London and it was acutally not that bad. Second, I don't think its fictional propaganda, If a bunch of people are willing to fly planes into buildings and blow up subways, why wouldnt they try to get their hands on a Nuclear bomb? The limit of a terrorist is his/her imigination, just like a TV producer. Installing fear from these shows is a by-product of its realism.
Your points about the Media's coverage of the war are excellent. That was not my problem. Like I said you are usually pretty balanced and accurate. Hope to hear from you soon.
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01-31-2007, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JBMcCain
My rebuttle sir,
1. Please provide a link to the study you are talking about. Not because I think your lying or anything. You certainly dont seem to stoop to such levels! But for fairness.
1. A. Considering that study if applicable, I can understand the average 5 o' clock news that will get its information from Goverment sources, as per reasons for that bias. But your forgetting many other sources of information. Such as newspapers, magazines, talkshows(those vile women on The View..), movies and music. Such media offers the point of view of those who are presenting the information through their own personal prisms.
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1) There are no better candidates to tell you how biased the media is then the veterans that frequent this forum.
2) Those resources you mentioned that Exo "forgot" to mention fall under the term "mass media", which in fact he used to further his point.
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