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Old 03-23-2007, 12:37 PM
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Fifteen Royal Navy personnel were today captured by Iran while they were conducting “routine boarding operations” in Iraqi waters, the Ministry of Defence said.
“At approximately 10.30am Iraqi time, 15 British naval personnel, engaged in routine boarding operations of merchant shipping in Iraqi territorial waters ... were seized by Iranian naval vessels,” the ministry said in a statement.
“The boarding party had completed a successful inspection of a merchant ship when they and their two boats were surrounded and escorted by Iranian vessels into Iranian territorial waters.
“We are urgently pursuing this matter with the Iranian authorities at the highest level and on the instructions of the Foreign Secretary, the Iranian ambassador has been summoned to the Foreign Office. The British government is demanding the immediate and safe return of our people and equipment.”
A spokesman for the US defence department said that the Britons were captured by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard navy as they were travelling along the boundary of territorial waters between Iran and Iraq.
The sailors, from the frigate HMS Cornwall, are believed to have been taken to an Iranian navy base.
An unnamed Iraqi fisherman had earlier said that six or seven foreign military personnel were on two small boats that stopped to check Iranian ships in the Siban area, near the al-Faw peninsula that leads into the northern Gulf. When they boarded one ship, at least two Iranian vessels appeared on the scene and the military personnel were detained. There was no sign of any violent confrontation, he said.
The HMS Cornwall's commanding officer Commodore Nick Lambert said the group were believed to be safe.
"We know that there was no fighting, there was no engagement of weapons or anything like that, it was entirely peaceful.
"We have been assured from the scant communications that we have had with the Iranians at the tactical level that 15 people are safely in their hands," he told the BBC.
Earlier, Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett ordered Iranian ambassador Rasoul Movahedian to be summoned to the Foreign Office to demand the immediate release of the sailors.
Mrs Beckett said she had asked Iran for "a full explanation" for the detention of the servicemen and said Mr Movahedian "was left in no doubt that we want them back".
It is not the first time that British servicemen have been taken captive by Iran in the waters between Iran and Iraq.
Six Royal Marines and two Royal Navy sailors were detained in July 2004 after their patrol boats were said to have strayed into the Iranian side of the Shatt al-Arab waterway sailors sparked a tense stand-off.
The men were blindfolded and held for three days during which they were paraded on Iranian TV.
Meanwhile, Iraq’s Sunni deputy prime minister was wounded today in a suicide bombing near Baghdad’s heavily fortified Green Zone, authorities said.
The bomber blew himself up as Salam al-Zubaie, one of two deputies to the Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, and other worshippers were leaving a mosque in the courtyard of his house.
Six people were killed in the blast. Brigadier General Qassim Moussawi, spokesman for security in Baghdad, said Mr Zubaie was undergoing surgery and his condition was “not stable so far”.
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Rock posted this on the Iranian Spy thread. As I posted there, some may argue that capture of UK Sailors in Iraqi waters and continued detention of them is tantamount to a declaration of war on the UK by Iran. They play a dangerous game, the UK has global reach and can take the fight to Tehran if need be. Politics will decide the next move, until then the Sailors are in no immediate danger.
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Rock posted this on the Iranian Spy thread. As I posted there, some may argue that capture of UK Sailors in Iraqi waters and continued detention of them is tantamount to a declaration of war on the UK by Iran. They play a dangerous game, the UK has global reach and can take the fight to Tehran if need be. Politics will decide the next move, until then the Sailors are in no immediate danger.
Oh right. I missed that. This one might need it own thread. Its pretty serious stuff...
I see the softly softly approach is in full swing as per usual from the foreign office..
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This is Iran's answer to the cat and mouse games. By showing good faith and releasing the UK soldiers it shows the world that maybe their not that bad after all.

So yesterday..They are proving to the world that they are good guys? it buy's them time in their nuclear ambitions....

I say in time......not now. But later...Air strikes..
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IF they show good faith, keep the diplomatic options open.

Waters is tricky business, Iran can easily say that they were in their waters. However that might piss GB off and give em a little shock and awe...

I'm weary about going to war with Iran and I believe that diplomacy can be reached if they step off their pedestal.
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It all ties in nicely with the current talks on Irans Nuclear program. "Leverage" its called.
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TEHRAN, Iran - Iran on Saturday insisted that 15 British sailors it seized had illegally entered Iranian waters, denouncing what it called a “blatant aggression.” The Britons were being taken to the capital for questioning, Iranian media reported.

Iran’s tough comments came after Britain demanded the return of the sailors and denied they had strayed into Iranian waters while searching for smugglers off Iraq’s coast.

The eight Royal Navy sailors and seven Royal Marines had just searched a merchant ship when they and their two inflatable boats were intercepted by Iranian vessels Friday at around 10:30 a.m. near the disputed Shatt al-Arab waterway, U.S. and British officials said. The Iranian vessels surrounded them and escorted them away at gunpoint.

Iran’s semi-official news agency, Fars, reported that the 15 Britons have been transferred to the capital Tehran “to explain their aggressive action.” There was no immediate official confirmation of the move.

Navigational equipment on the seized British boats “show that they (sailors) were aware that they were operating in Iranian waters and Iranian border gurads fulfilled their responsibility,” Fars quoted an unidentified official as saying.

The agency said the 15 included “some women.” In Britain, officials told the Press Association news agency that at least one woman was among the group.

The incident came at a time of heightened tensions over Tehran’s nuclear ambitions and allegations that Iran is arming Shiite Muslim militias in Iraq. Still, Britain was treating it as a mistake rather than a provocation.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini said Iran was carrying out a “further investigation ... of the blatant aggression.”

Hosseini accused the Britons of “violating the sovereign boundaries of other states and illegal” and described the incident as a “su****ious move,” according to the state-run IRNA news agency.

He accused Britain of trying to cover up the incursion, saying it should “refrain from putting the blame on others.”

‘No doubt that we want them back’
Iran summoned the British charge d’affaires to the Foreign Ministry on Friday and demanded an immediate explanation.

Britain, in turn, demanded Tehran release the 15. In London, the British government summoned the Iranian ambassador to the Foreign Office, and Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said the Iranian envoy “was left in no doubt that we want them back.”

The European Union also called for the “immediate liberation” of the captured sailors, according to German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, whose country holds the EU’s rotating presidency.

Britain’s Defense Ministry said the Royal Navy personnel were in Iraqi territorial waters when they were seized. Cmdr Kevin Aandahl of the U.S. Navy’s Fifth Fleet in Bahrain also said it was “very clear” they were in Iraqi waters.

“We’ve been on operations there for several years,” Aandahl said. He said coalition vessels respect a 1975 treaty between Iran and Iraq that sets the boundary between the two countries as running down the middle of the Shatt al-Arab.

But the boundary has long been in dispute around the 125-mile-long channel Shatt al-Arab —known in Iran as Arvandrud, Farsi for the Arvand River. Saddam Hussein canceled the 1975 treaty five years later and invaded Iran, triggering an eight-year war. Virtually all of Iraq’s oil is exported through an oil terminal near the mouth of the channel.

‘Simple mistake’
The Iraqi military commander of the country’s territorial waters cast doubt on claims the Britons were in Iraqi waters.

“We were informed by Iraqi fishermen after they had returned from sea that there were British gunboats in an area that is out of Iraqi control,” Brig. Gen. Hakim Jassim told AP Television News in the southern city of Basra.

“We don’t know why they were there. And these British troops were besieged by unknown gunboats, I don’t know from where,” he said.

Some 500 Iranian students gathered on the shore near where the soldiers were captured, shouting “Death to Britain” and “Death to America,” the Fars news agency reported.

The sailors, from the frigate HMS Cornwall, are part of a task force that maintains security in Iraqi waters under authority of the U.N. Security Council.

The Cornwall’s commander, Commodore Nick Lambert, said he hoped the detention was a “simple mistake” stemming from the unclear border.

‘Strike enemies that attack’
In June 2004, six British marines and two sailors were seized by Iran in the same waterway. They were presented blindfolded on Iranian television and admitted entering Iranian waters illegally, then released unharmed after three days.

The incident occurred as the U.N. Security Council debates expanding sanctions against Iran for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment. A vote was expected later Saturday. The U.S. and other nations suspect Iran is trying to produce nuclear weapons. Iran denies that and insists it won’t halt the program.

With tensions running high, the United States has bolstered its naval forces in the Persian Gulf in a show of strength directed at Iran. U.S. officials have expressed concern that with so much military hardware in the Gulf, a small incident like Friday’s could escalate into a dangerous confrontation.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, warned this week that if Western countries “treat us with threats and enforcement of coercion and violence, undoubtedly they must know that the Iranian nation and authorities will use all their capacities to strike enemies that attack.”

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It all ties in nicely with the current talks on Irans Nuclear program. "Leverage" its called.

Exactly....
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TEHRAN, Iran - Iran on Saturday insisted that 15 British sailors it seized had illegally entered Iranian waters, denouncing what it called a “blatant aggression.” The Britons were being taken to the capital for questioning, Iranian media reported.

Iran’s tough comments came after Britain demanded the return of the sailors and denied they had strayed into Iranian waters while searching for smugglers off Iraq’s coast.

The eight Royal Navy sailors and seven Royal Marines had just searched a merchant ship when they and their two inflatable boats were intercepted by Iranian vessels Friday at around 10:30 a.m. near the disputed Shatt al-Arab waterway, U.S. and British officials said. The Iranian vessels surrounded them and escorted them away at gunpoint.

Iran’s semi-official news agency, Fars, reported that the 15 Britons have been transferred to the capital Tehran “to explain their aggressive action.” There was no immediate official confirmation of the move.

Navigational equipment on the seized British boats “show that they (sailors) were aware that they were operating in Iranian waters and Iranian border gurads fulfilled their responsibility,” Fars quoted an unidentified official as saying.

The agency said the 15 included “some women.” In Britain, officials told the Press Association news agency that at least one woman was among the group.

The incident came at a time of heightened tensions over Tehran’s nuclear ambitions and allegations that Iran is arming Shiite Muslim militias in Iraq. Still, Britain was treating it as a mistake rather than a provocation.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini said Iran was carrying out a “further investigation ... of the blatant aggression.”

Hosseini accused the Britons of “violating the sovereign boundaries of other states and illegal” and described the incident as a “su****ious move,” according to the state-run IRNA news agency.

He accused Britain of trying to cover up the incursion, saying it should “refrain from putting the blame on others.”

‘No doubt that we want them back’
Iran summoned the British charge d’affaires to the Foreign Ministry on Friday and demanded an immediate explanation.

Britain, in turn, demanded Tehran release the 15. In London, the British government summoned the Iranian ambassador to the Foreign Office, and Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said the Iranian envoy “was left in no doubt that we want them back.”

The European Union also called for the “immediate liberation” of the captured sailors, according to German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, whose country holds the EU’s rotating presidency.

Britain’s Defense Ministry said the Royal Navy personnel were in Iraqi territorial waters when they were seized. Cmdr Kevin Aandahl of the U.S. Navy’s Fifth Fleet in Bahrain also said it was “very clear” they were in Iraqi waters.

“We’ve been on operations there for several years,” Aandahl said. He said coalition vessels respect a 1975 treaty between Iran and Iraq that sets the boundary between the two countries as running down the middle of the Shatt al-Arab.

But the boundary has long been in dispute around the 125-mile-long channel Shatt al-Arab —known in Iran as Arvandrud, Farsi for the Arvand River. Saddam Hussein canceled the 1975 treaty five years later and invaded Iran, triggering an eight-year war. Virtually all of Iraq’s oil is exported through an oil terminal near the mouth of the channel.

‘Simple mistake’
The Iraqi military commander of the country’s territorial waters cast doubt on claims the Britons were in Iraqi waters.

“We were informed by Iraqi fishermen after they had returned from sea that there were British gunboats in an area that is out of Iraqi control,” Brig. Gen. Hakim Jassim told AP Television News in the southern city of Basra.

“We don’t know why they were there. And these British troops were besieged by unknown gunboats, I don’t know from where,” he said.

Some 500 Iranian students gathered on the shore near where the soldiers were captured, shouting “Death to Britain” and “Death to America,” the Fars news agency reported.

The sailors, from the frigate HMS Cornwall, are part of a task force that maintains security in Iraqi waters under authority of the U.N. Security Council.

The Cornwall’s commander, Commodore Nick Lambert, said he hoped the detention was a “simple mistake” stemming from the unclear border.

‘Strike enemies that attack’
In June 2004, six British marines and two sailors were seized by Iran in the same waterway. They were presented blindfolded on Iranian television and admitted entering Iranian waters illegally, then released unharmed after three days.

The incident occurred as the U.N. Security Council debates expanding sanctions against Iran for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment. A vote was expected later Saturday. The U.S. and other nations suspect Iran is trying to produce nuclear weapons. Iran denies that and insists it won’t halt the program.

With tensions running high, the United States has bolstered its naval forces in the Persian Gulf in a show of strength directed at Iran. U.S. officials have expressed concern that with so much military hardware in the Gulf, a small incident like Friday’s could escalate into a dangerous confrontation.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, warned this week that if Western countries “treat us with threats and enforcement of coercion and violence, undoubtedly they must know that the Iranian nation and authorities will use all their capacities to strike enemies that attack.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17769296/

Those sailors are now pawns in the political game.. upside is that they wont be spending their captivity getting waterboarded or handing from their toes... They need to sit tight, but Iran will eventually send them home.... there are playing with the UK and a dangerous game at that.... Well time will tell...
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Sorry mates, I feel a need to shout out. Hey Iran, KISS MY ***.
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