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Old 01-14-2008, 10:21 AM
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The F-22 Raptor is the most advanced and capable fighter today, no doubt about that, but which plane would fare the best against it in a one on one dogfight with equally skilled pilots?
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F-35 Lightening
Su-35
Mig-29
Mig-35
Dassault Rafale
EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Personally i would put money on the Su-35
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Old 01-14-2008, 12:49 PM
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The F-22 Raptor is the most advanced and capable fighter today, no doubt about that,
Who said that ....An American?


EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon is the most advanced plane in service in the world bar non !!!
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Old 01-14-2008, 03:06 PM
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Im with the Eurofighter aswell... top class fighter...
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Old 01-14-2008, 05:22 PM
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Is the F22 in service yet? Still going through the paces last I heard .......They were flying the Typhoon for 10 years around Warton before it became operational.......F22 will be quite something but the Typhoon is setting the mark at the mo. I met a few BAE guys over in Fort worth Tx working on that(f22)...The tech is just mind blowing on this new stuff! Feckin phenoninal eh Ex?

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Old 01-14-2008, 10:32 PM
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Is the F22 in service yet? Still going through the paces last I heard .......They were flying the Typhoon for 10 years around Warton before it became operational.......F22 will be quite something but the Typhoon is setting the mark at the mo. I met a few BAE guys over in Fort worth Tx working on that(f22)...The tech is just mind blowing on this new stuff! Feckin phenoninal eh Ex?
Its in service Tex.
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Is the F22 in service yet? Still going through the paces last I heard .......They were flying the Typhoon for 10 years around Warton before it became operational.......F22 will be quite something but the Typhoon is setting the mark at the mo. I met a few BAE guys over in Fort worth Tx working on that(f22)...The tech is just mind blowing on this new stuff! Feckin phenoninal eh Ex?
First Operational Deployment was October 2005, patrolling the Western United States. I believe that the F-22 has the most advanced weapons systems and avionics in the world. I believe that I read that the Eurofighter was more maneuverable and more stable in flight. A match-up would be interesting to see how they would fare.

During Exercise Northern Edge in Alaska in June 2006, the F-22 (squadron of 10) downed 108 adversaries (F-15 Air superiority fighter, considered one of the best in the world) with no losses in simulated combat exercises.

On 12 December 2007, the USAF officially declared the F-22 fully operational, three years after the first F-22 Raptor arrived at Langley Air Force Base. On 22 November 2007, F-22A Raptors of the 90th fighter squadron performed their first intercept of two Russian Tu-95MS 'Bear-H' bombers in Alaska after the Tu-95s failed to ID themselves and state their mission. This was the first time that F-22s had been called to support a NORAD mission.
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Sry guys I'm getting confused with the F35. Old age plays tricks with the memory

In March 2005 United States Air Force Chief of Staff General John P. Jumper, then the only person to have flown both the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Raptor, talked to Air Force Print News about these two aircraft. He said,

“ The Eurofighter is both agile and sophisticated, but is still difficult to compare to the F/A-22 Raptor. They are different kinds of airplanes to start with; it's like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula 1 car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance ”

Further, "The Eurofighter is certainly, as far as smoothness of controls and the ability to pull (and sustain high G forces), very impressive," he said. "That is what it was designed to do, especially the version I flew, with the avionics, the color moving map displays, etc. — all absolutely top notch. The maneuverability of the airplane in close-in combat was also very impressive."

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EF-2000 is an outstanding plane no arguments about that but the raptor has been designed as a fighter with the sole purpose of taking down enemy planes while the eurofighter is a multirole plane so in order to meet its requirements some things have to be removed, that is why i would go for planes like the Sukhoi Su-30MKI (its what i meant to write) which are of the same class.

India exercised its Su-30MKIs against the Royal Air Force's Tornado ADVs in October 2006. This was the first large scale exercise with any foreign air force in which the IAF used its Su-30MKI's extensively. This exercise was also the first in 43 years with the RAF. In July 2007, the IAF'S Sukhoi-30MKI'S were pitted against RAF Eurofighter Typhoon's .

Does anybody know where to find some news about the above mentioned exercise? it would help to get a better idea of how a multi role plane would fare against an air superiority fighter and especially a plane with thrust vectoring capabilities working with or against a plane without.
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Old 01-15-2008, 01:44 PM
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Is the F22 in service yet? Still going through the paces last I heard .......They were flying the Typhoon for 10 years around Warton before it became operational.......F22 will be quite something but the Typhoon is setting the mark at the mo. I met a few BAE guys over in Fort worth Tx working on that(f22)...The tech is just mind blowing on this new stuff! Feckin phenoninal eh Ex?
Feckin Right, awsome planes, I saw 3 Irish Aer Corps Fighters fly across the skyline on my way home from work today, and Id reckon the Pigeons were flying faster... prop Aircraft live on eh!!.....
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Feckin Right, awsome planes, I saw 3 Irish Aer Corps Fighters fly across the skyline on my way home from work today, and Id reckon the Pigeons were flying faster... prop Aircraft live on eh!!.....
LOL, well lets face it. Nobody is gonna lay glove on Ireland, so you don't really need them. Not when the enemy has got to go through us first. Least we can do, seein as we effed up so much in the past
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