03-24-2008, 02:46 PM
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Chinas Invasion Of Taiwan
It has been many years china has been wanting to invade and recapture taiwan from the so called “inllicit” government.
The only Speculation is as to when will that happen.
The way I see it the chinese are business people thay will take everything into account not only military factors but political and economical factors as well, because if a war was to happen in the east china sea the Insurance Rates for all companies navigating those waters will rocket, and china will not profit from that seen as they are mainly basing theyr economical growth on commerce an trading.
However from the military point of view the taiwanese have no chance, they may slow down the chinese, this yes and cause great damage to the chinese military but they both know the outcome.
The U.S. Presence in the region will be a huge deterrent since the Chinese will not want an open confrontation with the U.S. Navy and airforce and possibly army, however Allow me to say that in many countries the american policy is losing points and the struggle inside the USA to bring troops back from iraq is raging, and with the impeniding change in leadership decisions will be slow, so if the shinese really opted for an invasion of taiwan around this time would be the best time, The USA will most probably not engage the chinese openly because the american economy is not at its best and the people would not support a deployment of further troops moreover against a powerful modern nation such as chin, however militarily the chinese navy can hradly hope to match the US Navy, they could cause extensive damage but over time the USN will show whats its capable of achieving, meanung that if a war over taiwan was actually to happen then the chinese navy would probably not be able to challenge the american navy in open waters they would merely be able to defend the coastline of china, and in the air the USA definatly has the advantage, however the USA would never dare invade mainland china so a stalement would be reached where chinese forces will have taken over taiwan yes however america will have air superiority if not supremacy and the chinese navy will be rendered ineffective, now its all about who gets what in the end, will the gains of capturing taiwan be more than the drawbacks?
thats for the chinese to decide and us to speculate.
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03-24-2008, 02:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by europeanfigther
It has been many years china has been wanting to invade and recapture taiwan from the so called “inllicit” government.
The only Speculation is as to when will that happen.
The way I see it the chinese are business people thay will take everything into account not only military factors but political and economical factors as well, because if a war was to happen in the east china sea the Insurance Rates for all companies navigating those waters will rocket, and china will not profit from that seen as they are mainly basing theyr economical growth on commerce an trading.
However from the military point of view the taiwanese have no chance, they may slow down the chinese, this yes and cause great damage to the chinese military but they both know the outcome.
The U.S. Presence in the region will be a huge deterrent since the Chinese will not want an open confrontation with the U.S. Navy and airforce and possibly army, however Allow me to say that in many countries the american policy is losing points and the struggle inside the USA to bring troops back from iraq is raging, and with the impeniding change in leadership decisions will be slow, so if the shinese really opted for an invasion of taiwan around this time would be the best time, The USA will most probably not engage the chinese openly because the american economy is not at its best and the people would not support a deployment of further troops moreover against a powerful modern nation such as chin, however militarily the chinese navy can hradly hope to match the US Navy, they could cause extensive damage but over time the USN will show whats its capable of achieving, meanung that if a war over taiwan was actually to happen then the chinese navy would probably not be able to challenge the american navy in open waters they would merely be able to defend the coastline of china, and in the air the USA definatly has the advantage, however the USA would never dare invade mainland china so a stalement would be reached where chinese forces will have taken over taiwan yes however america will have air superiority if not supremacy and the chinese navy will be rendered ineffective, now its all about who gets what in the end, will the gains of capturing taiwan be more than the drawbacks?
thats for the chinese to decide and us to speculate.
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It would be a Pyrrhic victory for the Chinese
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03-24-2008, 04:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by europeanfigther
It has been many years china has been wanting to invade and recapture taiwan from the so called “inllicit” government.
The only Speculation is as to when will that happen.
The way I see it the chinese are business people thay will take everything into account not only military factors but political and economical factors as well, because if a war was to happen in the east china sea the Insurance Rates for all companies navigating those waters will rocket, and china will not profit from that seen as they are mainly basing theyr economical growth on commerce an trading.
However from the military point of view the taiwanese have no chance, they may slow down the chinese, this yes and cause great damage to the chinese military but they both know the outcome.
The U.S. Presence in the region will be a huge deterrent since the Chinese will not want an open confrontation with the U.S. Navy and airforce and possibly army, however Allow me to say that in many countries the american policy is losing points and the struggle inside the USA to bring troops back from iraq is raging, and with the impeniding change in leadership decisions will be slow, so if the shinese really opted for an invasion of taiwan around this time would be the best time, The USA will most probably not engage the chinese openly because the american economy is not at its best and the people would not support a deployment of further troops moreover against a powerful modern nation such as chin, however militarily the chinese navy can hradly hope to match the US Navy, they could cause extensive damage but over time the USN will show whats its capable of achieving, meanung that if a war over taiwan was actually to happen then the chinese navy would probably not be able to challenge the american navy in open waters they would merely be able to defend the coastline of china, and in the air the USA definatly has the advantage, however the USA would never dare invade mainland china so a stalement would be reached where chinese forces will have taken over taiwan yes however america will have air superiority if not supremacy and the chinese navy will be rendered ineffective, now its all about who gets what in the end, will the gains of capturing taiwan be more than the drawbacks?
thats for the chinese to decide and us to speculate.
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Well they own it really so I think they should have it.
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03-25-2008, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Heinrich
Well they own it really so I think they should have it.
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I think the people living there actually have a different opinion to that!!... Jackass!!... 
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03-25-2008, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by europeanfigther
It has been many years china has been wanting to invade and recapture taiwan from the so called “inllicit” government.
The only Speculation is as to when will that happen.
The way I see it the chinese are business people thay will take everything into account not only military factors but political and economical factors as well, because if a war was to happen in the east china sea the Insurance Rates for all companies navigating those waters will rocket, and china will not profit from that seen as they are mainly basing theyr economical growth on commerce an trading.
However from the military point of view the taiwanese have no chance, they may slow down the chinese, this yes and cause great damage to the chinese military but they both know the outcome.
The U.S. Presence in the region will be a huge deterrent since the Chinese will not want an open confrontation with the U.S. Navy and airforce and possibly army, however Allow me to say that in many countries the american policy is losing points and the struggle inside the USA to bring troops back from iraq is raging, and with the impeniding change in leadership decisions will be slow, so if the shinese really opted for an invasion of taiwan around this time would be the best time, The USA will most probably not engage the chinese openly because the american economy is not at its best and the people would not support a deployment of further troops moreover against a powerful modern nation such as chin, however militarily the chinese navy can hradly hope to match the US Navy, they could cause extensive damage but over time the USN will show whats its capable of achieving, meanung that if a war over taiwan was actually to happen then the chinese navy would probably not be able to challenge the american navy in open waters they would merely be able to defend the coastline of china, and in the air the USA definatly has the advantage, however the USA would never dare invade mainland china so a stalement would be reached where chinese forces will have taken over taiwan yes however america will have air superiority if not supremacy and the chinese navy will be rendered ineffective, now its all about who gets what in the end, will the gains of capturing taiwan be more than the drawbacks?
thats for the chinese to decide and us to speculate.
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Until China fully modernizes it's Navy (which it is doing). 10 to 15 years from now it will be a totally different scenario than what you wrote above. Which is why I'm for action against China now. It's going to happen regardless for our sake it would be better sooner than later.
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03-25-2008, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by onep0int
Until China fully modernizes it's Navy (which it is doing). 10 to 15 years from now it will be a totally different scenario than what you wrote above. Which is why I'm for action against China now. It's going to happen regardless for our sake it would be better sooner than later.
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They are duplicitous bunch of bastards no doubt... but careful what you wish for.... theres many ways to skin a cat, and this cat is flaunting its stuff in our face to provoke a reaction like that....
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03-25-2008, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Exo1
They are duplicitous bunch of bastards no doubt... but careful what you wish for.... theres many ways to skin a cat, and this cat is flaunting its stuff in our face to provoke a reaction like that....
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03-25-2008, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by onep0int
Until China fully modernizes it's Navy (which it is doing). 10 to 15 years from now it will be a totally different scenario than what you wrote above. Which is why I'm for action against China now. It's going to happen regardless for our sake it would be better sooner than later.
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Well if capitalist lead globalisation is allowed to have its way, then you are probably right. Our own bloody fault really isn't it!
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03-25-2008, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Spike
Well if capitalist lead globalisation is allowed to have its way, then you are probably right. Our own bloody fault really isn't it!
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Isolated pockets, Spike. A command economy is very much still prevalent in China. Personal success is being gathered up by the government to feed its modernizing military: essence of Communism. |
03-26-2008, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SniperAlpha1
Isolated pockets, Spike. A command economy is very much still prevalent in China. Personal success is being gathered up by the government to feed its modernizing military: essence of Communism.
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Dont be fooled Snips, China is as communist as it was 40 years ago, they are just using a "pro west" facade to facilitate the greed of multinational corporations to raise finance for their "future plans"... and its working a treat too.. dont ya just back office deals...
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